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re: UNH's UnitedHealth CEO shot and killed
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:08 am to IT_Dawg
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:08 am to IT_Dawg
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I said 2 days ago it was probably the wifes boyfriend and she helped him with the logistics of the travel since he would have to coordinate kids around travels.
He had Defend, Deny, Depose written on the bullet casings. That means it was definitely insurance. A wife's BF wouldn't write that unless he was trying to stage it as such, but would just be weird.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 11:17 am
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:19 am to Epic Cajun
I’m surprised he has made it this long without getting caught. My guess is he fled NYC and the FBI is now tracking him. Kinda reminds me of the Idaho slayings where they had their perp ID’d but methodically tracked him so he wouldn’t do anything crazy. There is no way they don’t have any clue who the shooter is. They just aren’t telling us because they don’t want him falling off the grid
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:24 am to Saunson69
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To be fair, every company in the world that does $100 bil per quarter or $400 bil per year is going to have a shite ton of lawsuits for stuff like that.
Sure, I get that. UHC, and insurance in particular, stand out as scummier than most. This guy is acting like he's shocked that people have a low opinion of insurance companies like it's some sort of new revelation to him.
He all bit admitted it last night, he's in the industry and thats why he angrily defending them here.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:24 am to Saunson69
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He had Delay, Deny, Depose written on the bullet casings. That means it was definitely insurance. A wife's BF wouldn't write that unless he was trying to stage it as such, but would just be weird.
Nothing is definite now. They don't even have the suspect in custody.
Do a quick YT search of "wife hires hitman to kill husband." It's far more common than a random civilian executing a CEO due to denied insurance claims.
I'm not saying it's definitely this or that.but as others have said, statistically it's far more likely that someone he knows or is associated with is behind this.
One thing I'm finding difficult to reconcile is why this guy with immense resources was walking alone when he allegedly received recent threats on his life.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:30 am to Goldrush25
Another possible motive would be someone from inside the company having him killed either due to rivalry or, since he was under investigation, maybe the CEO was going to talk and implicate someone he worked with. They would have better knowledge of his movements on a work trip than anyone.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:56 am to TripleBarrelBluff1
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I think everyone would agree with that in principle.
In this thread? I’m not so sure about that.
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The issue is the agency that is supposed to keep them in check, the government, is in bed with them.
So what choice is left?
Well, if we’re talking about practical solutions that can cause a change, murdering insurance executives doesn’t exactly sound like a choice that gets you where you want to be.
How far exactly do you take this logic? Can we start shooting doctors who charge unreasonable and unpayable costs for care? What about pharmaceutical execs? Execute them in the street too?
I can’t even believe I’m having to make this argument, but there’s a difference between understanding why something might happen and thinking that it should happen.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:11 pm to Wiener
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This reads like advocating for increasingly complex documentation requirements
Sorry for the confusion but thats not the case at all. I advocate as much as I can for maintaining to the criteria and guidelines they decide to go with but continually review opportunities to remove PA requirements on requests they approve at such a high rate. It's a waste of their and your resources and causes undue delays for patients. But, if you have a PA and you state the review requirements you need to adhere to them otherwise you expose yourself to fines, litigation, etc.
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Yes, most end up getting approved, but there's not really any arguing that it's done that way intentionally in hopes that we'll just tire of going through the approval process.
What is "that way"? You don't think the preferred method is that requests are submitted timely and complete allowing for a quick, easy review and approval? Health plans are audited just like providers are. A nurse can't just approve something that doesn't meet the commonly accessible guidelines because they think it's a good idea. A medical director often can, but not a nurse and a MD isn't normally reviewing standard cases.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:14 pm to Rick9Plus
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Another possible motive would be someone from inside the company having him killed either due to rivalry or, since he was under investigation, maybe the CEO was going to talk and implicate someone he worked with.
Another possibility is that he flashed his lights at someone and it was one of those gang initiation set ups.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:27 pm to Saunson69
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. That means it was definitely insurance. A wife's BF wouldn't write that unless he was trying to stage it as such, but would just be weird.
They have had different houses for many years and had possibly been divorced for a while. She could bang the whole Timberwolves squad if she wants.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:35 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Another possibility is that he flashed his lights at someone and it was one of those gang initiation set ups.
Ok, laugh all you want, but someone gave the shooter info on his exact movements. With the DOJ investigation going on, someone within the company isn’t far-fetched.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:38 pm to Saunson69
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A wife's BF wouldn't write that unless he was trying to stage it as such, but would just be weird.
That's exactly what a wife's boyfriend would do.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:42 pm to bcflash
quote:Maybe he was given the "pre -divorce treatment plan " by his wife?
Guy was separated from his “ estranged “ wife… now the real stuff starts.. shacked up with killers wife?? Wife hires hitman???
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:45 pm to TripleBarrelBluff1
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I think everyone would agree with that in principle. The issue is the agency that is supposed to keep them in check, the government, is in bed with them.
So what choice is left?
Um, a different health insurance provider?
Are you one of those people who thinks that government should help control "price gouging" as well?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:51 pm to WW
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That's exactly what a wife's boyfriend would do.
I'm trying to keep an open mind, but this idea that the killer was distraught over claim denials is an excellent cover because it's relatable and decreases the likelihood that citizens are going to go out of their way to rat on this guy.
Also the murder-for-hire narrative isn't necessarily mutually exclusive from the claim denial narrative. The hired gun could be someone with a bone to pick with UHC.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:52 pm to TripleBarrelBluff1
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He all bit admitted it last night, he's in the industry and thats why he angrily defending them here.
You’re so remarkably stupid it’s amazing you survive the day.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:52 pm to Rick9Plus
Sounds like an inside job or rival of some sort. The suspect knew where the CEO was going to be within minutes of his arrival. The writings on the casings are just for distraction.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:57 pm to RunningBlake
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Sounds like an inside job or rival of some sort. The suspect knew where the CEO was going to be within minutes of his arrival. The writings on the casings are just for distraction.
The CEO was there for the company shareholders annual or quarterly or whatever meeting. Pretty much everyone that wanted to know would have known his relative whereabouts.
The shooter supposedly had stayed at the hostel for 3 days prior to the shooting. If anything it sounds like he didn’t know his whereabouts very well and was just hanging out waiting for him.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:58 pm to Goldrush25
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but this idea that the killer was distraught over claim denials is an excellent cover
Exactly, nothing about the calculated tempo we saw on that vid suggests this was some weekend hacker that was distraught. There would have been more of an emotional aspect to the rhythmic sequence and body language. There was definitely more of a professional, strategical cadence to this and all this claim denial stuff is almost surely a cover up.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:13 pm to baldona
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The CEO was there for the company shareholders annual or quarterly or whatever meeting. Pretty much everyone that wanted to know would have known his relative whereabouts.
The shooter supposedly had stayed at the hostel for 3 days prior to the shooting. If anything it sounds like he didn’t know his whereabouts very well and was just hanging out waiting for him.
I'm wondering why didn't he have a bodyguard, especially since he'd been the recipient of death threats recently. I'm wondering if someone knew he wouldn't have a bodyguard on this particular trip.
I'm guessing he's been the recipient of confirmed threats in the past, which is why he had bodyguards previously. In this case he wasn't behaving like someone who felt he was at increased risk of being targeted. Did they notify police of the threats? There are just a lot of inconsistencies.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:17 pm to Dadren
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Well, if we’re talking about practical solutions that can cause a change, murdering insurance executives doesn’t exactly sound like a choice that gets you where you want to be.
And yet BlueCross walked back a policy the next day. Timing sure is coincidental.
As the 90's philosopher Christopher Rock said, "I ain't saying it's right, but I understand."
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