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re: UK family travels to Colorado and is stunned at how rich everyone is compared to U.K.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:00 am to SLCGumpFB25
Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:00 am to SLCGumpFB25
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They have some benefits that we don't as well.
Those benefits are possible because they have us providing most of the defense spending and they had a homogeneous makeup for a long time. Now they have untold millions more people who will not contribute anything but more mouths to feed and ever increasing crime.
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Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:05 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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I just read several articles about this subject. I would have never thought that Mississippi would be a top economy in Europe
Go read any blog or watch any video of an American moving to Europe or the UK and the adjustment. Pretty universally the theme is "I've learned to live without [insert goods, services, SOL] and it's made me so much happier".
Space, salary, options, stores being open after a certain time, etc. It's just a very downsized life compared to your average middle-middle class life in the US.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:05 am to WhiteMandingo
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our lower middle class is better off then 90 % of the world
shite... the "poor" in the USA are upper middle class in most of the other countries if the world.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:11 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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They pay a lot more in taxes than we do
And taxes are spread much more evenly across economic classes in Europe. In the US, the bottom 50% of income earners pay effectively no federal taxes and the next 25% pay a very small amount. The top economic classes and effectively pay for everything.
In most European countries, the lower and middle class pay a significant amount of taxes.
One of the more comedic things to watch in politics is the constant call for a European-style benefits system but you never hear those same politicians talk about adopting their tax systems.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:14 am to Rick9Plus
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Yet those Brits travelled here but most Americans can’t afford to go to England. Idk. Maybe they just value different things? Like they live more frugally but have extra to travel?
I would choose dentistry over travel any day.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:36 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I don't think middle class people have multi-hundred thousand dollar RVs. I think the guy who told him that wants to believe he is middle class but is not.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:16 am to 6R12
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Every country has curtains that hide stuff. USA is the cleanest shirt in the dirty clothes hamper. Just saying.
And we don’t utilize hardly any of the country.
That’s more of what burns their arse when they come and see how big our pee pee is.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:22 am to DownSouthJukin
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I learned this when booking trips overseas. Do not trust someone's review if they are from the UK on how nice a place is or how good the service is. They have a much, much lower expectation than Americans
this is actually true. You have to round down a star if you realize mostly Europeans are reviewing.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:29 am to ATrillionaire
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A peak behind the curtain would reveal severe credit debt.
The entire world is drowning in debt, it's the basis of all world economies and economics. Started with the Fed in 1913, picked up steam with Breton-Woods in 1944 and began exponential acceleration in 1971 when Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard.
Alas, it will all end relatively soon; hold onto your jocks during the next twenty years or so.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:34 am to NYNolaguy1
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If you chose Mississippi over Norway I may have some questions for you
I REEEEALLLLLY hate being cold….
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:37 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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UK family travels to Colorado
Send them to Louisiana and let them look around.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:52 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Or do Americans make significantly more than the middle class British person?
My exact job in London would pay me at least 50% less than I make in the US, and that's gross, not net.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
While there is likely debt involved, it’s amazing what citizens can do with their own money when they aren’t taxed to hell to fund a Nanny State.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:27 am to ATrillionaire
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A peak behind the curtain would reveal severe credit debt.
That was my first thought as well, but it's not as much as I thought it would be.
Including mortgages, the average UK citizen's debt is just under $89k while the average US citizen's debt is just under $102k.
Interestingly, once you remove mortgages from the equation they are nearly the same ($23,276 UK vs $23,317 US).
Where I think a big chunk of the difference comes in is with salary and taxation. The annual tax revenue of the UK is around 35% of their GDP while the average here in the US is around 27%. Meanwhile, the overall average salary in the UK comes out to ~$50,728 while the average salary in the US comes to ~$63,795.
So higher taxes + lower pay = lower average lifestyle.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:19 am to WhiteMandingo
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I've traveled all over the world our lower middle class is better off then 90 % of the world
Well, hello vague statement.
Better how? Are the incomes in Spain and Italy lower than the US? Yes. Is the COL there about 60% of what is is in the US? Yes.
It could be argued that they live a more stress free lifestyle without needing to earn as much as Americans.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:20 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
All this and more can be yours for 5,011 months of financing 
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:31 am to SLCGumpFB25
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They have some benefits that we don't as well.
I can't think of any. My pets have better access to healthcare than they do (my vet doesn't go on strikes either). My dad is a British citizen, I was born there and hold dual-citizenship, and he has never looked at going back to live in the UK. The standard of living he has made for himself here by far eclipse's his peers and his sister's. The crushing tax burden and nickel-&-diming of their citizens makes life a miserable prospect for those not independently wealthy. Even the wealthy are fleeing the country, new tax proposals that would tax the total value of all held assets, including those held outside of the UK, on an annual basis. Truly a stupid and miserable little island now.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:37 am to VABuckeye
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Better how? Are the incomes in Spain and Italy lower than the US? Yes. Is the COL there about 60% of what is is in the US? Yes.
It could be argued that they live a more stress free lifestyle without needing to earn as much as Americans.
In terms of financial freedom and stability, we do much better. You think their government safety nets are secure but even Spain is facing severe pressure to fund its public benefits and pensions. Spain is not a very stable economy, tourism is lagging, foreign investment is drying up, and, like many EU countries, the wealthiest citizens are moving away by the thousands.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:37 am to wm72
And you are assuming the guy driving the $100,000 rv, IS up to his neck in debt
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:43 am to NYNolaguy1
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Quality of life, education, life expectancy, weather, are other factors to consider here.
If you chose Mississippi over Norway I may have some questions for you
If you are factoring in those stats when it comes to Mississippi, it really makes a difference if you are white or black.
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