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Uber killing machines.. No Black Mirror SciFi dogs necessary
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:41 am
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:41 am
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There's something very wrong with Uber's driverless car program.
On Wednesday night, police released footage of Sunday night's deadly car crash in Tempe, Arizona, where an Uber self-driving car crashed into 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg. The details it reveals are damning for Uber.
"The idea that she 'just stepped out' or 'came out in a flash' into the car path is clearly false," said Tara Goddard, an urban planning professor at Texas A&M University, after seeing the video. "It seems like the system should have responded."
The video shows that Herzberg crossed several lanes of traffic before reaching the lane where the Uber car was driving. You can debate whether a human driver should have been able to stop in time. But what's clear is that the vehicle's lidar and radar sensors—which don't depend on ambient light and had an unobstructed view—should have spotted her in time to stop.
On top of that, the video shows that Uber's "safety driver" was looking down at her lap for nearly five seconds just before the crash. This suggests that Uber was not doing a good job of supervising its safety drivers to make sure they actually do their jobs. The combination of these failures—and Herzberg's decision to jaywalk in the first place—led to her death.
But zooming out from the specifics of Herzberg's crash, the more fundamental point is this: conventional car crashes killed 37,461 in the United States in 2016, which works out to 1.18 deaths per 100 million miles driven. Uber announced that it had driven 2 million miles by December 2017 and is probably up to around 3 million miles today. If you do the math, that means that Uber's cars have killed people at roughly 25 times the rate of a typical human-driven car in the United States.
progress! Human drivers suck! quote:
This shouldn't surprise us. Uber executives know they're behind Waymo in developing a self-driving car, and they've been pulling out all the stops to catch up. Uber inherited a culture of rule-breaking and corner-cutting from its founder and former CEO Travis Kalanick. That combination made a tragedy like this almost inevitable.
:Nicolas cage you don't say:
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 1:48 am
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:45 am to CAD703X
That's unfortunate and all, but the real concern should be the new trend of uber eats drivers trillhoging your food.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 1:49 am
Posted on 3/23/18 at 2:07 am to CAD703X
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, the more fundamental point is this: conventional car crashes killed 37,461 in the United States in 2016, which works out to 1.18 deaths per 100 million miles driven. Uber announced that it had driven 2 million miles by December 2017 and is probably up to around 3 million miles today. If you do the math, that means that Uber's cars have killed people at roughly 25 times the rate of a typical human-driven car in the United States.
Although I fear the rise of the machines, that's not a remotely valid indicator. You can't tailor a statistic around a single event. A single event is not a statistic, it's an event.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 2:16 am to CAD703X
What about Waymo? How does that play into the your opinion?
Waymo, Google’s Autonomous Car
They haven’t killed anyone yet.
There have been 13 collisions involving their fleet of vehicles:
And one that was the car’s fault.
Waymo, Google’s Autonomous Car
They haven’t killed anyone yet.
There have been 13 collisions involving their fleet of vehicles:
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there had been 12 collisions as of that date, eight of which involved being rear-ended at a stop sign or traffic light, two in which the vehicle was side-swiped by another driver, one of which involved another driver rolling through a stop sign, and one where a Google employee was manually driving the car.[
And one that was the car’s fault.
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On February 14, 2016 while creeping forward to a stoplight, a Google self-driving car attempted to avoid sandbags blocking its path. During the maneuver it struck the side of a bus. Google addressed the crash, saying "In this case, we clearly bear some responsibility, because if our car hadn't moved there wouldn't have been a collision".[
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 2:21 am
Posted on 3/23/18 at 2:21 am to CAD703X
I’m sure by the time my kids are my age age no one will give self driving vehicles a second thought but I don’t trust them.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 2:39 am to CAD703X
We get it. You fear technology. It's understandable given your history on the tech board of complaining about completely failing to make any of it work.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 2:48 am to gizmothepug
I trust the cars fully. It is the damn roads around here.
No center lines.
No side lines.
Dual water filled lanes troughs when raining.
Ditches over spilling over into the roads.
Huge potholes.I
Road hazards.
SQUIRREL!!!
Let's put these things driving one million miles in Louisiana and then I will be fully convinced.
What about being hacked and turned into real life Maximum Overdrive?
No center lines.
No side lines.
Dual water filled lanes troughs when raining.
Ditches over spilling over into the roads.
Huge potholes.I
Road hazards.
SQUIRREL!!!
Let's put these things driving one million miles in Louisiana and then I will be fully convinced.
What about being hacked and turned into real life Maximum Overdrive?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 3:07 am to BHM
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Let's put these things driving one million miles in Louisiana and then I will be fully convinced.
I doubt one would make it 250,000 miles in Southeast Louisiana.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 3:58 am to CAD703X
Uber driver:
lolwut?
LINK
Uber hires an ex-con to be the safety driver in one of their self-driving cars in a test project?
Fail
quote:
Uber's "safety driver" was looking down at her lap
lolwut?
LINK
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Vasquez was in prison for three years and 10 months for convictions related to attempted armed robbery and unsworn falsification, AZ Central reported. The unsworn falsification charge was based on Vasquez giving false information while applying for government benefits. The attempted armed robbery happened in July 2000. According to police, she and an accomplice conspired to rob her employer, Blockbuster, and a co-worker of a $2,782.98 work deposit. According to court records, a probation officer said that Vasquez realized she had surrounded herself with people who encouraged her to take those actions, and she needed to change the people she allowed in her life.
Uber hires an ex-con to be the safety driver in one of their self-driving cars in a test project?
Fail
Posted on 3/23/18 at 4:39 am to CAD703X
actual, non slow mo youtube link of the incident
thats the video, noone is avoiding that shite.
thats the video, noone is avoiding that shite.
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:26 am to sgallo3
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thats the video, noone is avoiding that shite.
Agree 100%
She was all of a sudden just there. I would have hit her for sure.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:27 am to CAD703X
Hey OP.
can you link the article?
I want to forward it to my driverless car obsessed friend.
can you link the article?
I want to forward it to my driverless car obsessed friend.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:29 am to CAD703X
Great title
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:40 am to CAD703X
They must be testing this in and around the Phoenix Metro area because I see them almost daily in Scottsdale. I usually see one at a time but pulled up next to 4-5 of them at a light the other day and had no idea they were self-driving, I always thought they were out for mapping because of the spinning shite on the roofs.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:42 am to Mud_Till_May
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noone is avoiding that shite.
Traveling at only 40mph with no oncoming headlights to blind you and you would not have seen a person walking their bike across the rode?
Maybe slam in the brakes or swerve at least! Heck, there are even street lights where the person is walking.
I disagree.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:48 am to BHM
Title is misleading, should say machine not machines since this, so far, was a singular event, anomaly, etc.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:03 am to BHM
quote:frick it,i think i could take a prius
What about being hacked and turned into real life Maximum Overdrive?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:51 am to BHM
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Traveling at only 40mph with no oncoming headlights to blind you and you would not have seen a person walking their bike across the rode
Better question:
Why in the hell was that woman slowly walking her bike across the street at night when the car was certainly easily visible with its bright arse headlights on?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:56 am to BHM
In the daytime a human should have avoided hitting the woman. Since the car doesn’t use light to see it also should have avoided hitting her.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:12 am to OysterPoBoy
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Since the car doesn’t use light to see it also should have avoided hitting her.
she was walking across multiple lanes of traffic. i dont know about you but as a driver i can see that in my headlights and at least take some type of evasive action.
uber says FORWARD! MOW THAT BITCH DOWN! NO BRAKES ON THIS ROBOT CAR!
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