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Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:02 pm to GetCocky11
Gin and Tonic dude walking through the middle of the fight is going to be a great witness on the stand.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
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you need to watch the video, evidently. It absolutely was a sucker punch.
That was in no way a sucker punch. Jones is bowed up and his friend already pushed him.
This is a sucker punch
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
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, you need to watch the video, evidently. It absolutely was a sucker punch
If you're in a dudes face it isn't a sucker punch...that's an invitation
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:19 pm to IceTiger
I can’t believe we’re still talking about these douche bags.
fricked around
Found out
They lawyered up because they fricked with the wrong dudes and got their feelings hurt after they saw themselves get embarrassed online.
fricked around
Found out
They lawyered up because they fricked with the wrong dudes and got their feelings hurt after they saw themselves get embarrassed online.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:30 pm to IceTiger
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If you're in a dudes face it isn't a sucker punch...that's an invitation
lol bigscrub doesnt know what a sucker punch is.
2 football players were actively involved in a confrontation speaking aggresively with another party of 2. the footballers initiate physical altercation... its literally when you would expect to get hit. its basically a step short of "come on hit me you pussy".
also big lol bc the dude got slapped before he got the arse whipping he was asking for.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 9:36 pm to AMS
Yeah that wasn't a sucker punch. Dude got what he deserved for talking shite. The second dude slamming that guy pretty heavily into the wall and continuing to hit the guy is probably headed for some trouble though. That could have easily killed that dude when he hit the wall.
Honestly the idiots talking about how they aren't remotely amateurs when it comes to fighting will just make things worse for them. Shows they know what kind of skill they wield and that one guy stepped over the level of force required.
edit: didn't see the dude that attacked first was already punched and bleeding from his nose. Anyone know who did it and how? Based on the statements from the lawyers, I am guessing it probably was Jones' dbag friend that pushed the guy and got Jones punched.
So Jones may have been trying to stop a fight very poorly (pretty much egging one to happen) because of his shithead friend and trying to get the guy to walk away and got beat up for getting in the middle of the shite.
Honestly the idiots talking about how they aren't remotely amateurs when it comes to fighting will just make things worse for them. Shows they know what kind of skill they wield and that one guy stepped over the level of force required.
edit: didn't see the dude that attacked first was already punched and bleeding from his nose. Anyone know who did it and how? Based on the statements from the lawyers, I am guessing it probably was Jones' dbag friend that pushed the guy and got Jones punched.
So Jones may have been trying to stop a fight very poorly (pretty much egging one to happen) because of his shithead friend and trying to get the guy to walk away and got beat up for getting in the middle of the shite.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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This post was edited on 2/27/21 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:35 pm to Dam Guide
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So Jones may have been trying to stop a fight very poorly (pretty much egging one to happen) because of his shithead friend and trying to get the guy to walk away and got beat up for getting in the middle of the shite.
That’s what it looks to me, too. He took he first hit from his dbag friend’s push.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 3:49 am to BeepNode
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MMA guy #1 threw the first punch
Kinda tough to make that argument when he had a bloody nose : lol:
Posted on 2/26/21 at 5:52 am to LNCHBOX
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Kinda tough to make that argument when he had a bloody nose : lol:
I get what you are trying to say there, but at the point where they are all in the bathroom jawing at each other, do they have an immediate threat of serious bodily injury? No. They could have simply walked away at that point on nobody would have gotten hurt.
So if I'm the prosecutor, I'd argue that the previous engagement was over from a self defense point of view. (It might not be over from an ego point of view from the participants, but good luck making that stick in court.)
Like many other states, Oklohoma has a stand your ground law which states:
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A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
Do the actions of the two MMA guys rise to this standard? Did they meet force with force, or did they escalate the level of force by using their fight skills that they've learned over the years?
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 5:54 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 6:24 am to Lonnie Utah
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They could have simply walked away at that point on nobody would have gotten hurt.
You're making a lot of assumptions just to protect Spence. Spence and friend weren't acting as though they were trapped at all. If anything, they were more aggressive than the brothers.
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Did they meet force with force, or did they escalate the level of force by using their fight skills that they've learned over the years?
Again, your argument goes out the window when the brother already had a bloody nose and he didn't initiate contact. Lawyers being involved in this is nothing more than lawyers lining their pocket books. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 6:40 am to LNCHBOX
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You're making a lot of assumptions just to protect Spence.
Why would I protected Spence? Have have no dog in the fight, just looking at things objectively.
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Again, your argument goes out the window when the brother already had a bloody nose and he didn't initiate contact.
Look I'm not saying the brothers were not assaulted. But the assault was over by the time Round 2 started. And are we talking simple assault, aggravated assault or assault and battery?
As soon as the victim goes unconscious, you are no longer defending yourself. You're committing aggravated assault
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§21-646. Aggravated assault and battery defined
A. An assault and battery becomes aggravated when committed under any of the following circumstances:
1. When great bodily injury is inflicted upon the person assaulted; or
2. When committed by a person of robust health or strength upon one who is aged, decrepit, or incapacitated, as defined in Section 641 of this title.
B. For purposes of this section “great bodily injury” means bone fracture, protracted and obvious disfigurement, protracted loss or impairment of the function of a body part, organ or mental faculty, or substantial risk of death.
LINK
In otherwords, everyone needs to go to jail for a while...
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 6:42 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 6:55 am to IceTiger
quote:This.
If you're in a dudes face it isn't a sucker punch...that's an invitation
Douche 1 “Get the frick out of here.”
Douche 2 pushes MMA 1 and says “What you got?”
They found out.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 7:15 am to LNCHBOX
Look man, the two dudes that got the shite beaten out of them in no way are “victims” in the eyes of common sense
But, the brothers had every opportunity to leave, they wanted a fight. And in the eyes of the law, for a civilized society they need to and will be on the hook in the eyes of the law
Yeh as men we say “nobody is a victim here”, but I don’t want laws to be “don’t start not shite won’t be no shite”. I want the law to encourage people like the brothers to simply leave. Not hope the fight starts because they know they can win
But, the brothers had every opportunity to leave, they wanted a fight. And in the eyes of the law, for a civilized society they need to and will be on the hook in the eyes of the law
Yeh as men we say “nobody is a victim here”, but I don’t want laws to be “don’t start not shite won’t be no shite”. I want the law to encourage people like the brothers to simply leave. Not hope the fight starts because they know they can win
Posted on 2/26/21 at 7:16 am to Wolfhound45
quote:They sure did. And these brothers are going to
They found out.
Find out what legal fees and court dates are all about. Even when you win a fight, you lose. Good lesson for kids.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 7:20 am to Lonnie Utah
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In otherwords, everyone needs to go to jail for a while...
Over a bar fight Posted on 2/26/21 at 7:25 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Nobody is going to jail
Over a bar fight
But I sure as hell don’t feel bad for the tools that got their asses kicked, and I don’t feel bad for the brothers who wanted that fight badly to be going through legal shite now. For once I am happy they are all going through something that sucks
When you get in a fight, you can get your arse kicked or killed, or the person you are fighting can get seriously injured or hurt. Little man is lucky that dude did die when his head slammed on that bathroom stall. Seems to go through either of these scenarios the stakes need to be a little higher than bathroom bar pride for me
Posted on 2/26/21 at 7:34 am to LNCHBOX
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You're making a lot of assumptions just to protect Spence. Spence and friend weren't acting as though they were trapped at all. If anything, they were more aggressive than the brothers.
Without video of the first incident and how they got into the positions they were in, everyone has to make assumptions. The brothers had the easiest path to leave, OU dudes had to go through them to leave. Jones was very poorly telling them to leave. They didn’t look like they wanted to leave at all even before the push. The push set things off, but the attack looks to have been misdirected.
My assumption is it all comes down to who did the bloody nose, if that wasn’t Jones, the rest of the 3 need the charges. Jones is gonna win a nice pay day for the guy screwing up his eye.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 7:35 am to Dam Guide
quote:Its pretty much certain the medical fees will be covered by little man. He earned those
My assumption is it all comes down to who did the bloody nose, if that wasn’t Jones, the rest of the 3 need the charges. Jones is gonna win a nice pay day for the guy screwing up his eye.
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