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re: Two agenda items of note for today's BR Metro Council Meeting (live stream link inside)
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:31 am to Golfer
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:31 am to Golfer
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St. George doesn't change the voting bloc for a COA-type millage.
That's why I'm waiting until it is formed to see how it all pans out and what the tax situation/plan of government/services/etc. are all going to be before deciding whether it's there or Ascension/Livingston.
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And the ONLY reason this didn't get shut down last year before it got to the ballot was because the Metro Council lacked a spine and elected to protect their votes in the same election.
If the voting power wasn't in the hands of the people who want to empty out your wallet to pay for bad ideas, incompetence, and corruption, why would the council have to worry about killing the proposal in the first place?
Time to leave. Also, remember that a lot of us HAVE been fighting this. For fricking years. CATS tax. EBRCOA tax. Constantly bad schools while the school board screams bloody murder for tax renewals. It's all the same goddamned song and dance and I'm tired of it.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 10:39 am
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:33 am to PiscesTiger
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I guess if SG goes through, that will have to change. LSU will likely cut MANY programs, too.
How would SG negatively impact LSU?
Help me here, I don't understand your thinking.
Do you believe BR will crater without suburban tax dollars from sales taxes to the point where LSU will be invaded by thugs from BR????
If that's the case, I don't believe SGeans can help one way or another. BR needs to stand on its own two feet. SG can't stop that.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:45 am to Golfer
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St. George doesn't change the voting bloc for a COA-type millage.
SG could change the voting dynamics, and here is what you are missing; a successful SG with a successful ISD can attract more citizens and then arrest white flight. Who would want to leave to go to Ascension or Livingston when areas of EBR inside SG could be developed for young families? Not as many.
BR is hardly growing as a city. The population is relatively stable. Wiki has the following population stats:
2000 227,818
2010 229,493
Est. 2016 227,715
Since 200 BR has LOST population. If a thriving SG, with a good ISD is successful, it will grow along with Central and Zachary and the demographics will balance out some.
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Here is what the 2010 Census had (again from Wiki):
As of the 2010 census,[11] there were over 440,000 residents in East Baton Rouge, making it the largest parish in Louisiana.[12] There are 156,365 households and 102,575 families residing in the parish. The population density was 906 people per square mile (350/km²). There were 169,073 housing units at an average density of 371 per square mile (143/km²). The racial makeup of the parish was 49.5% White, 45.9% Black or African American, 0.3% Native American, 3.0% Asian, 0.12% Pacific Islander, 1.02% from other races, and 1.2% from two or more races. 3.8% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
I believe what the liberals fear is a successful SG which stops white flight, which boosts the white population who traditionally vote more Republican, and they lose their control over City Hall.
I do not see EBR as a lost cause. I see a bright future provided SG gets an independent school district. I've said it all along, a thriving ISD will set off a boom in the Southern part of the parish. Things could bust loose as people stay "home" closer to their jobs. SG as an ISD is more important than SG as a city.
Just my take on all of this.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:06 am to doubleb
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SG could change the voting dynamics, and here is what you are missing; a successful SG with a successful ISD can attract more citizens and then arrest white flight. Who would want to leave to go to Ascension or Livingston when areas of EBR inside SG could be developed for young families? Not as many.
Very good point. I will admit this is the encouraging part of a St. George movement.
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I believe what the liberals fear is a successful SG which stops white flight, which boosts the white population who traditionally vote more Republican, and they lose their control over City Hall.
I do not see EBR as a lost cause. I see a bright future provided SG gets an independent school district. I've said it all along, a thriving ISD will set off a boom in the Southern part of the parish. Things could bust loose as people stay "home" closer to their jobs. SG as an ISD is more important than SG as a city.
Well said. While I don't intend to live in St. George, and if I did I'd continue to put them in Catholic Schools, I'll be the first one at the door fighting for an ISD.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:16 am to doubleb
I agree having good areas in EBRP around BR with good ISD would help keep the white, black, Latino, Asian, and other if you check that box middle class in the parish. People do not get it a strong middle class brings growth to the area and business follow them. Unfortunately, City Urban, fast Freddy rent a rim, and check into cash places are at the end of the line.
I still have hope for NBR to make a come back with the new tax district! I mean a successful govt slush fund. Nothing says gehtto chic success (code word govt waste) like giving people T-shirts, bringing them to council meetings on yellow schools busezez known as the mandatory day care wagons. Then trying to defend a govt slush fund that preys on the elderly or poor it is suppose to protect.
I still have hope for NBR to make a come back with the new tax district! I mean a successful govt slush fund. Nothing says gehtto chic success (code word govt waste) like giving people T-shirts, bringing them to council meetings on yellow schools busezez known as the mandatory day care wagons. Then trying to defend a govt slush fund that preys on the elderly or poor it is suppose to protect.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:18 am to johnnyrocket
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I still have hope for NBR to make a come back with the new tax district! I mean a successful govt slush fund. Nothing says gehtto chic success (code word govt waste) like giving people T-shirts, bringing them to council meetings on yellow schools busezez known as the mandatory day car wagons, and trying to defend a govt slush fund they preys on the elderly or poor that are followers.
I felt so bad for them. Pawns for the leadership of the COA to defraud their friends and neighbors of meals and services to go on more cruises.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:19 am to doubleb
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I do not see EBR as a lost cause. I see a bright future provided SG gets an independent school district. I've said it all along, a thriving ISD will set off a boom in the Southern part of the parish. Things could bust loose as people stay "home" closer to their jobs. SG as an ISD is more important than SG as a city.
What about those who say that for St. George to live, the city of Baton Rouge will die? I do believe that St. George will pick up some whites from south BR, especially if they create a successful ISD. That said, a lot of the old money in BR will not bolt for St. George. I can't imagine people who live in the garden district, Bogage, or mid city areas will move out to St. George.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:22 am to LouisianaLonghorn
I think what people mean is it will keep or slow down the lower middle class of all races that want better than what they have now from leaving.
The upper middle class or middle class in other areas of the city that are happy with where they live will probably stay where they are.
The upper middle class or middle class in other areas of the city that are happy with where they live will probably stay where they are.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:31 am to LouisianaLonghorn
I think St. George could be a good thing overall for EBR and even the City of BR. Keeping more middle/upper class families in the parish, and spending their money in the city/parish should be a good thing overall.
The old money that lives around Southdowns, LSU lakes, Bocage, Garden District, Old Goodwood, etc. isn't going anywhere.
The old money that lives around Southdowns, LSU lakes, Bocage, Garden District, Old Goodwood, etc. isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:32 am to doubleb
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Since 200 BR has LOST population. If a thriving SG, with a good ISD is successful, it will grow along with Central and Zachary and the demographics will balance out some.
Where in BR proper is there room for growth though outside of maybe Burbank and Nicholson?
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I believe what the liberals fear is a successful SG which stops white flight, which boosts the white population who traditionally vote more Republican, and they lose their control over City Hall.
I do not see EBR as a lost cause. I see a bright future provided SG gets an independent school district. I've said it all along, a thriving ISD will set off a boom in the Southern part of the parish. Things could bust loose as people stay "home" closer to their jobs. SG as an ISD is more important than SG as a city.
I'm failing to see how you're changing voting power with just growth in the southern part of the parish. You'll still have the same council members who are already representing that area. They won't have any impact on counclimen representing NBR.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:33 am to LouisianaLonghorn
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What about those who say that for St. George to live, the city of Baton Rouge will die?
I don't agree with that at all. SG and BR can both thrive, and because of the way our govt is set up (parks, sewer, roads, library, EMS, etc.) serve us all. SG needs BR and BR needs SG to do well because we are all in it together.
And face it, a better BR will attract more people to SG. A great Downtown, events at the River Center, LSU, etc. would be good for us all.
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That said, a lot of the old money in BR will not bolt for St. George.
I don't think they would either, and why should they if BR gets its act together. And to get its act together, they need better leadership at the top. They need a better police force, better schools, better delivery of services, and fewer people like the ones we have now who help their "friends", scam the system, and play the race card to line their pockets.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:41 am to c on z
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Where in BR proper is there room for growth though outside of maybe Burbank and Nicholson?
There are "infill projects" all over. And then there is NBR with all its run down houses and vacant lots.
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I'm failing to see how you're changing voting power with just growth in the southern part of the parish. You'll still have the same council members who are already representing that area. They won't have any impact on counclimen representing NBR.
Council districts aren't static. As populations change they are adjusted. If SG grows, Central grows, etc. their districts will change as will inner city districts who didn't grow. Right now there are fewer "black" districts than "white districts". 7-5. In fact 7 of the 12 districts have 60% white or more.
District make up
Republicans have been losing the vote for mayor because they have been fielding poor candidates, not because of mathematics.
And the Council is not voting conservative because of race, they are voting liberal because they want to. Look at the numbers!!!
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:42 am to BingWaterTiger
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:50 am to doubleb
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Republicans have been losing the vote for mayor because they have been fielding poor candidates, not because of mathematics.
The Republican party of which I have been a member since late 70's has a habit of fielding poor candidates as well as shooting themselves in the foot when they finally have a mandate.
Booby Simpson and Tom Bob McHugh were two of the worst mayors this city has ever had.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:57 am to Martini
Might also have something to do with McHugh, Simpson, and Bodi White being Zachary/Baker/Central residents as opposed to BR proper or St. George.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:01 pm to Martini
A good mayor is more than patting yourself on the back and balancing a budget.
You need to be a great administrator, well organized, a guy/gal with ideas, a promoters, a salesperson, and have high energy. You also need people around you to run things right. You can't do it by yourself. It takes a team to run a parish like EBR.
You also need a grasp of how the system works so you can tap into state and federal dollars that are there for those who know how to access the system.
You also need a good ear to listen to what people are talking about, and the ability to see what's good that they are saying and what's bad.
Few can do this, but the lady we have now is way out of her league.
You need to be a great administrator, well organized, a guy/gal with ideas, a promoters, a salesperson, and have high energy. You also need people around you to run things right. You can't do it by yourself. It takes a team to run a parish like EBR.
You also need a grasp of how the system works so you can tap into state and federal dollars that are there for those who know how to access the system.
You also need a good ear to listen to what people are talking about, and the ability to see what's good that they are saying and what's bad.
Few can do this, but the lady we have now is way out of her league.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:12 pm to doubleb
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I don't agree with that at all. SG and BR can both thrive, and because of the way our govt is set up (parks, sewer, roads, library, EMS, etc.) serve us all. SG needs BR and BR needs SG to do well because we are all in it together. And face it, a better BR will attract more people to SG. A great Downtown, events at the River Center, LSU, etc. would be good for us all
I see your point, and I agree. I do think people are wary though, because just a couple of hundred miles to our east, the capital city of Mississippi is dying a slow and ugly death. I could see something similar happening to Baton Rouge if it continues down the road it's currently on.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:16 pm to doubleb
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A good mayor is more than patting yourself on the back and balancing a budget. You need to be a great administrator, well organized, a guy/gal with ideas, a promoters, a salesperson, and have high energy. You also need people around you to run things right. You can't do it by yourself. It takes a team to run a parish like EBR. You also need a grasp of how the system works so you can tap into state and federal dollars that are there for those who know how to access the system. You also need a good ear to listen to what people are talking about, and the ability to see what's good that they are saying and what's bad.
Very well said.
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the lady we have now is way out of her league.
Not only is Broome incompetent, she has made it very clear that her loyalties lie in NBR. All she and her ilk care about is getting NBR "what's theirs."
Her idea of a "progressive" BR is black-controlled city government.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:26 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
I've lived in EBR all my life. I attended public schools and graduated from LSU.
I don't want EBR or BR to go into decline, but this "it's our turn philosophy" is killing things.
I saw wrong being done to blacks, and it was bad. It should never have happened, but that was a long time ago and the people responsible for that are long gone.
I don't want EBR or BR to go into decline, but this "it's our turn philosophy" is killing things.
I saw wrong being done to blacks, and it was bad. It should never have happened, but that was a long time ago and the people responsible for that are long gone.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:30 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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I see your point, and I agree. I do think people are wary though, because just a couple of hundred miles to our east, the capital city of Mississippi is dying a slow and ugly death. I could see something similar happening to Baton Rouge if it continues down the road it's currently on.
The biggest problem in Jackson is a complete dearth of major employers. We do no have that issue in BR...Exxon, LSU, Southern U., State Gov, Growing Healthcare, Other engineering and Petro Chem jobs will always keep big parts of BR livable even in a recession. BR is arguably the economic engine of the entire state of Louisiana. Mississippi in general has lost population everywhere in the state except the coast so even government positions aren't growing. BR's medical corridor is already on a whole different level with major plans for growth.
So while I'm also concerned with the future of BR, I don't think it will be so easy or prudent to abandon or dismiss it. Denham and Central flooding also puts a premium on high and dry areas in BR. Eventually places like Cortana will be redeveloped simply because companies (for insurance purposes or other) don't want to risk building in areas that heavily flooded and have immediate access to highways and interstates.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 5:35 pm
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