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re: True or false: it's harder to get a job that covers basic living now
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:09 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:09 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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I think it's partially true. There is less opportunity for unskilled workers than maybe ever before. Most decent paying jobs today will require additional training
which you know is the reason why you either go to college get a degree in something so that you can get a specialized job. Or go to a votech school and learn a trade. Both ways can net someone a great paying job in the 6 figures if said person is a motivated/hard worker.
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:10 am to 50_Tiger
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False. People refuse to rise up to the challenge required to get a well paying job. Teachers make 50-55k here in DFW. Teachers.
And then those teachers get 2 months of time off when they can take a summer job and increase their yearly take home by $5-10k
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:11 am to deeprig9
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"Basic living" 30 years ago meant something completely different than what it means today, so it is hard to do an apples to apples comparison.
30 years ago, basic living was a small apartment with some shady neighbors, some lead paint, and asbestos, with off-site laundry, no swimming pool, no dishwasher and a leaky refrigerator, and no cell phone. Wall phone only with no long distance, you went to a pay phone to make long distance calls, a TV with 11 channels and a VCR. A 1970's model sedan in the parking lot that you need to occassionally use ether in the carbuerator to start.
There are plenty of jobs out there for millenials who want to cover that 30 year old standard of basic living.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:11 am to Upperdecker
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And then those teachers get 2 months of time off when they can take a summer job and increase their yearly take home by $5-10k
Yep!
And getting a degree in Teaching is about as easy as graduating high school.
No excuses.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:12 am to fareplay
The problem is that everyone is going to a 4-year college now. A lot of people shouldn't be in school but colleges have been dumbed-down to accommodate those people. They should be learning a trade instead. Everyone has the same idea about getting their education and then entering the job market. The market is saturated with people who have worthless degrees and no actual skills.
A generation ago, it mattered if you went to school and got a 4-year degree, it mattered even more if you had a masters as well. It showed that you were intelligent and dedicated enough to apply yourself and be successful. Now it basically means nothing unless you go into STEM, and even then it depends on what school you go to.
I always knew I was going into engineering because I didn't want to be sitting there holding my dick trying to interview for positions with a degree in entrepreneurship. What you're unfortunately starting to see at some engineering schools is the dumbing down of the curriculum to promote diversity. It's going to be very difficult to differentiate yourself in the coming decades unless you're willing to spend $200k on a 4 year degree at a top-tier school.
A generation ago, it mattered if you went to school and got a 4-year degree, it mattered even more if you had a masters as well. It showed that you were intelligent and dedicated enough to apply yourself and be successful. Now it basically means nothing unless you go into STEM, and even then it depends on what school you go to.
I always knew I was going into engineering because I didn't want to be sitting there holding my dick trying to interview for positions with a degree in entrepreneurship. What you're unfortunately starting to see at some engineering schools is the dumbing down of the curriculum to promote diversity. It's going to be very difficult to differentiate yourself in the coming decades unless you're willing to spend $200k on a 4 year degree at a top-tier school.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:12 am to fareplay
Single man no kids could live like an OT baller on $75k a year.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:13 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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I think it's partially true. There is less opportunity for unskilled workers than maybe ever before. Most decent paying jobs today will require additional training
I agree with this. Very little low skilled jobs for middle class like there used to be.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:13 am to fareplay
For whom? Healthy male? Single mother?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:13 am to deeprig9
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30 years ago, basic living was a small apartment with some shady neighbors, some lead paint, and asbestos, with off-site laundry, no swimming pool, no dishwasher and a leaky refrigerator, and no cell phone. Wall phone only with no long distance, you went to a pay phone to make long distance calls, a TV with 11 channels and a VCR. A 1970's model sedan in the parking lot that you need to occassionally use ether in the carbuerator to start.
There are plenty of jobs out there for millenials who want to cover that 30 year old standard of basic living.
I think the biggest difference is that you now have to spend a lot more (take on debt, or make a bigger investment, depending on how you look at it) to get out of that "basic living" scenario you describe in 2017 vs. 30 years ago.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:14 am to GetCocky11
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I don't think a cell phone is part of basic living where as some others would disagree.
I disagree. To hold a job, you must have a phone.
True, but it doesn't have to be a smartphone with a data plan. There's cheap basic phones and plans that run $15/month for just talk and text, but people who need government assistance to pay for their groceries and housing still end up finding a way to get $500+ iPhones that cost $50/month for data plans. G
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:14 am to GetCocky11
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I think the biggest difference is that you now have to spend a lot more (take on debt, or make a bigger investment, depending on how you look at it) to get out of that "basic living" scenario you describe in 2017 vs. 30 years ago.
And the QoL is significantly better too. C'mon now let's be real about that.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:16 am to Pecker
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I always knew I was going into engineering because I didn't want to be sitting there holding my dick trying to interview for positions with a degree in entrepreneurship. What you're unfortunately starting to see at some engineering schools is the dumbing down of the curriculum to promote diversity. It's going to be very difficult to differentiate yourself in the coming decades unless you're willing to spend $200k on a 4 year degree at a top-tier school.
You go to college to become a doctor, scientist, engineer, and maybe lawyer. Most other professions won't pay enough to pay that Student Loan bill that comes every month.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:16 am to fareplay
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basic living expenses
This is what has changed. What people believe to be "Basic Living" in today's society isn't what it used to be.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:16 am to fareplay
It depends. Whether you have kids or not is a huge factor. The cost of feeding and clothing a kid plus child care cost if both parents work is huge.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:17 am to fareplay
We've fully transitioned to a two-income society, and there are signs that we are entering a three-income society.
My dad worked and my mon didn't. My dad never made more than $35,000, but we had a nice house, he put three kids through school, and has enjoyed a decent retirement.
No way you could do that now. Even mom and dad making $35k each is tough, but doable in most areas of the South.
My "three income" deal comes from the fact that I have run into more and more grown, married, two working parents and kids families where the grandparents are contributing something to the family. They are paying for dance lessons or private school tuition or cell phone bills (because they were already on their family plan)
My dad worked and my mon didn't. My dad never made more than $35,000, but we had a nice house, he put three kids through school, and has enjoyed a decent retirement.
No way you could do that now. Even mom and dad making $35k each is tough, but doable in most areas of the South.
My "three income" deal comes from the fact that I have run into more and more grown, married, two working parents and kids families where the grandparents are contributing something to the family. They are paying for dance lessons or private school tuition or cell phone bills (because they were already on their family plan)
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:21 am to fareplay
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True or false: it's harder to get a job that covers basic living now
Depends. Is the definition of "basic living" still the same as 30 years ago: a roof over your head, shirt on your back, and food on the table?
Or are we going by today's definition of basic living: housing, food, newer model car, laptop/iPad, latest smartphone with expensive data plan, cable TV and internet, big screen TV's throughout the house, brand name clothes/shoes, and multiple kids born out of wedlock?
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:22 am to fareplay
Yes, and it's not even close.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:22 am to anc
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My dad worked and my mon didn't. My dad never made more than $35,000, but we had a nice house, he put three kids through school, and has enjoyed a decent retirement.
dayum when was this 1950s?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:22 am to fareplay
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simple question, is it harder to get a job that covers basic living expenses now vs 30 years ago?
Yes.
Because of the massive push for everyone to attend college, there's little room to maneuver if you go to school to specialize and while you're in school your industry gets hit/oversaturated. And then comes the student loan bill for most people.
30 years ago both of my parents were able to work jobs out of high school with no degree that paid them a wage where they lived comfortably with two kids and good benefits. Unless you're lucky enough to get on somewhere like Ford and work up through the assembly line, those jobs are few and far between.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:23 am to 50_Tiger
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You go to college to become a doctor, scientist, engineer, and maybe lawyer. Most other professions won't pay enough to pay that Student Loan bill that comes every month.
You're right. People don't think this way though.
They take out $100k in student loans to study marketing. Then they graduate and complain out student loans and needing loan forgiveness. It's not free money. It's an investment in your future success. If you can't project that success in your desired field of study, you better pick another field or be prepared to live in poverty.
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