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re: Trophy hunter shot dead while trying to bag his second lion

Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:41 pm to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:41 pm to
Idk about killing lions, but farm raised sounds like it’s not for the benefit of the species. Killing an infertile old male that was harming the breeding of younger males seems logical. This seems douchey.

I do know that people who kill elephants are big ole assholes. Elephants are the shite and smart AF.
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37474 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:42 pm to
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This. In 1950 there were 250,000 lions on earth. Today that number is only 14,000.


Mostly due to poachers, which is where your anger should be directed.

And poaching efforts are now greatly reduced because local communities have a huge financial incentive to stop it because of the value of these trophy hunts (which, again, are culled hunts not just killing a random animal. They are chosen as needing to be removed for the health of the overall population).

The trophy hunting makes the animal, cost wise, worth saving for these improverished areas to keep the poachers out and increase the species. Without them, the animals would just be left on their own nd poachers will pick them off with ease
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 5:44 pm
Posted by Bustedsack
Member since Dec 2017
4387 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:45 pm to
Punishment should fit the crime.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:46 pm to
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One can donate money and not kill the endangered animals,


Donated money goes to people, not conservation. Corrupt Africans and "non profit" businessmen.

Hunting does more to promote conservation that anything else, and the locals benefit.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:47 pm to
Farm raising lions to kill is fricking bullshite. If you want to donate money to saving lions, donate money. Don’t mask your insecure need to kill a fenced in and farm raised trophy as some great deed for the betterment of the world.

Eta:

Obviously a wild infertile lion that is harming the species is different

This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 5:49 pm
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
16281 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:48 pm to
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The guy was hunting farm-raised Lions to shoot that's a little weird


Some sick tards out there!
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37474 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:48 pm to
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I do know that people who kill elephants are big ole assholes. Elephants are the shite and smart AF.


Elephants need to be culled as well. It wasn’t that long ago that South Africa was looking at culling up to 5,000 because the population in the parks were unsustainable. Elephants are large and trample and destroy habitats and change landscapes.

Culling also happens because certain sick animals have a disease that they need to remove before it spreads to others.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:49 pm to
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I hope it was on purpose. No reason to shoot something just to hang it on your wall.

solid bait ol chap
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:49 pm to
today Is his birthday
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37474 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:53 pm to
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Farm raising lions to kill is fricking bullshite. If you want to donate money to saving lions, donate money. Don’t mask your insecure need to kill a fenced in and farm raised trophy as some great deed for the betterment of the world. Eta: Obviously a wild infertile lion that is harming the species is different


Within the farm, they are still going to pick and choose which animals to cull that season to protect the population.

And what’s your solution if the farm doesn’t have enough funds to operate from just donations? That’s the issue, is they don’t.

Whether you like it or not (and I’ve never hunted a day in my life), providing hunts is one of the most valuable ways to raise conservation funds and give a monetary reason to protect animals. That someone will pay $XX,000 to hunt an animal gives it direct value and makes it worth protecting and ensuring it breeds and the species doesn’t go extinct

Having just park service rangers working on local government salaries in these corrupt Aftrican shitholes doesnt protect the animals, that’s what lead to the poaching that put the populations in the danger they are in.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 5:56 pm
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8870 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:55 pm to
I’ve never been a hunter and not a particular big fan of guns but I know where the meat my family and I eat comes from and how the process works. With that said at the end of the day a human life is worth more than that of a lion, utter stupidity on both sides.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8202 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:58 pm to
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Or are you assuming the Lion shot the man in self defense?


This is kinda what I was hoping for. Not gonna lie.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:59 pm to
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And what’s your solution if the farm doesn’t have enough funds to operate from just donations? That’s the issue, is they don’t.


If every insecure hunter donated without killing they’d be fine. Why do they want to kill lions?

I don’t fault the locals. They’re doing what they have to do.

It really is amazing how these animals survived and thrived in Africa for a thousand years before these heroic hunters saved them by killing them.

ETA:

I understand douche bags get off on killing big game with powerful guns and that’ll never change.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 6:02 pm
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12858 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:00 pm to
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There's a difference between a white tail deer and a bass, both of which are essentially innumerable in population and hunting them in your backyard and traveling to fricking Africa to hunt a lion to impress people. If you're not eating it, you probably shouldn't hunt it.



Not a big game hunter here, but you morons do realize that big game trophy hunters provide most of the money for animal conservation in Africa, right?
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37474 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:01 pm to
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really is amazing how these animals survived and thrived in Africa for a thousand years before shithole African poachers trapped/killed them to sell on the black market and almost made them extinct.


Fixed it for you.

Again hunters are not the ones threatening these animals. Poachers are.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 6:04 pm
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:01 pm to
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ETA: I want a challenge though so the other guy needs a gun too so it's fair


Have I got a deal for you, all inclusive package, including and lodging and meals, my $20,000 fee and one signature for the U.S Army, and you’re on your way
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:04 pm to
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Fixed it for you. Again hunters are not the ones threatening these animals. Poachers are.


Never argued otherwise.

I just wish the world was a place where these “hunters” would just donate the money without killing lions. But I get that will never be the case because 99% of them don’t give AF about saving lions, they’re just rich and want to kill something big.

They’re still douche bags.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 6:05 pm
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37474 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:06 pm to
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I just wish the world was a place where these “hunters” would just donate the money without killing lions. But I get that will never be the case.

They’re still douche bags.


I agree with you there, never got the appeal.

But having someone pay to cull an animal rather than a Park Services ranger just put them down anyway is an easy and efficient way to raise funds.
Posted by TurkeysAndBees
Member since Jan 2017
651 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:27 pm to




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I’m fine with baw getting shot. Deer, ducks, etc are one thing but a trophy means you’re a fricking douche-chode with some sort of inner inferiority complex... Usually low IQ types...


Low IQ types? Like people who speak out of ignorance? Zimbabwe, Zambia, Namibia, Botswana, Mozambique, Tanzania, etc., heavily advertise and cater to trophy hunters for several reasons. First, a single trophy license alone can generate more desperately needed revenue that several dozen tourists will bring them during an entire vacation. It brings in nearly a billion dollars yearly to some poverty stricken, depressed countries. The hunters can be required to leave the meat which feeds native citizens who would otherwise have to hunt and kill the animals themselves. Impala, buffalo, elephant, sable, lion, and other large game is eaten by people there...from poor to royalty.

I do not want to see mindless killing of any animal but I feel it's best to check my own IQ before saying stupid things about the ways of cultures that I may not understand. I do not pretend to know that other injustices do not occur but I'd want to be very sure of what I'm speaking of before advocating the murder of people in situations I'm not certain about.

This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 6:32 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:36 pm to
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If every insecure hunter donated without killing they’d be fine


Look man, I don't like trophy hunting either, but not everyone has the same values. It's not my place to preach. I guided bear hunts for a while and got sick of trophy hunters.

However their value to conservation efforts cannot be denied. Donated money goes to corrupt people

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