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re: Traveling abroad - do they hate us
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:36 pm to kciDAtaE
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:36 pm to kciDAtaE
Commenting on the food rather than the discussion of the way people are treated, which varies extremely widely.
Italian food as you imagine it, does not exist. Italian cuisine as the Italians have eaten it for centuries, does; it varies significantly, and has diverged more broadly from its American Italian cousins, for a variety of reasons-- from the availability and pricing of ingredients, to the Americanization of taste buds from second, third, etc generations who have never had the baseline experience of growing up with Italian food.
You can go and order a hundred different pasta options, but they're never going to be anything like a souped up version of your American oriented tastes. The food won't be as sweet or as cheesy, or as sharply saucy.
There will be a surplus of seafood, of oils and the use of fresh vegetables. Condiments beyond olive oil and some dry seasoning are relatively uncommon. Garlic isn't a staple, but an accessory used to enhance *some* foods.
Some people like traditional Italian food better. I generally do, but American Italian has a special place in my heart for its sharper, more warming fare.
When it comes to Pizza, the Italian version is not that good. I enjoy a pizza magherita or pizza marinara as much as anyone can, but it is simple and painfully plain. It isn't what I expect or want out of a quality pizza, but is a slice of the history of the food that is pleasant enough. Just frame your expectations accordingly and reasonably. You aren't getting 8 toppings or three cheeses.
Italian food as you imagine it, does not exist. Italian cuisine as the Italians have eaten it for centuries, does; it varies significantly, and has diverged more broadly from its American Italian cousins, for a variety of reasons-- from the availability and pricing of ingredients, to the Americanization of taste buds from second, third, etc generations who have never had the baseline experience of growing up with Italian food.
You can go and order a hundred different pasta options, but they're never going to be anything like a souped up version of your American oriented tastes. The food won't be as sweet or as cheesy, or as sharply saucy.
There will be a surplus of seafood, of oils and the use of fresh vegetables. Condiments beyond olive oil and some dry seasoning are relatively uncommon. Garlic isn't a staple, but an accessory used to enhance *some* foods.
Some people like traditional Italian food better. I generally do, but American Italian has a special place in my heart for its sharper, more warming fare.
When it comes to Pizza, the Italian version is not that good. I enjoy a pizza magherita or pizza marinara as much as anyone can, but it is simple and painfully plain. It isn't what I expect or want out of a quality pizza, but is a slice of the history of the food that is pleasant enough. Just frame your expectations accordingly and reasonably. You aren't getting 8 toppings or three cheeses.
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:40 pm to UFFan
quote:It's Italian. Italian Americans have helped expand it abroad and even within Italy itself but it was always a regional food and documented before modern Italia came to be.
Pizza is really an American food, not an Italian food. I'm surprised how many people don't realize this.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:40 pm to UFFan
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Pizza is really an American food, not an Italian food. I'm surprised how many people don't realize this.
The modern pizza was created in Naples, Italy, dumb arse.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:40 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Real italian food is disappointing
I really wonder about some of you people.
old baw probably had the ‘sketti on an off night at Denny’s
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:41 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Real italian food is disappointing.
Now this folks, is a terrible take. Italian food is one of the most diverse and delicious cuisines in the world.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:42 pm to Gordon Hayward
I often traveled alone as a single white female in my late 20's through early 40's. In some places I instinctively switched to speaking German, aggressively, and problems evaporated. My German is fluent and has no American-ish sound to it.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:43 pm to BoardReader
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When it comes to Pizza, the Italian version is not that good.
This is way too broad of a generalization. Pizza in Naples is mostly great. Pizza in Milan? Not so much.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:44 pm to UFFan
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Pizza is really an American food, not an Italian food. I'm surprised how many people don't realize this.
I’m surprised that you’re such a retard.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:44 pm to VABuckeye
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Now this folks, is a terrible take. Italian food is one of the most diverse and delicious cuisines in the world.
This is my opinion. I heard all about how great it was until I spent 3 weeks there. Its not bad, but it also isn't as great and amazing as ppl claim.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:46 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Well, where were you? Did you eat the cuisine of the region or did you order what you think of as Italian food?
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:46 pm to VABuckeye
Pizza in Busch Gardens Italy was good.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:47 pm to real turf fan
Don’t know why anyone would say Italian food is average. If so you’re eating in the wrong places. We’ve eaten all over Italy and they have incredible food. We’ve eaten in almost every type of restaurant in Italy and enjoyed every meal. This would be anything from Michelin starred to hole in the walls with only a few tables and nothing that matched but they brought out incredible food all evening. And this is with us living in the food capital of the world in south Louisiana.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:49 pm to 777Tiger
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that’s because we’ve ‘murcanized everything, similar to our “Mexican” food
Yea ethnic food in US from anywhere in the world is nothing like the real thing.
Mexican food is much much hotter than the texmex in your average Mexican restaurant. Though it is good if you can handle the heat
Authentic Chinese is awful
Places like Italy and France have incredible cuisine but don’t go expecting it to be like restaurants here
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:50 pm to LSUHeights
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Northern UK is the only place where men seem to have +500 testosterone levels.
Rural France and farming areas of Netherlands still have some baws
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:53 pm to deltaland
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Mexican food is much much hotter than the texmex in your average Mexican restauran
it can be, and I think they’ve become conditioned to taper their cuisine to cater to us, when I first started going there on a regular basis, about 50 years ago, I was surprised how bland real Mexican food was
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:55 pm to Gordon Hayward
Frick those guys. There’s a bunch of other restaurants who want to make money.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 5:57 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Also Italy is the last place to order pizza
Why?
Because it's completely unlike any notion of American pizza. Vastly different. More like a fish or pork with vegetables stew on oven bread than the tomato sauce / meats / cheeses blend you think of with "Pizza". I was kind of stunned when I ate in Naples. I got a meatball sandwich because it was the closest thing on their menu to "Italian Food" that I recognized as an American.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 6:01 pm to VABuckeye
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This is way too broad of a generalization. Pizza in Naples is mostly great. Pizza in Milan? Not so much.
I don't believe it is, on the lack of variety alone. They make an excellent product with what they have, and a handful of very simple ingredients. It isn't particularly flavorful, and the variation between any two Neapolitan pizza places is relatively small.
If you like very simple food and very straightforward, simple flavors, sure. Its fine. I'm definitely not going out of my way to get it over other Neapolitan food options, though. I'll take Parmigiana de Melanzane, or cuoppo, or any of the various mussel inclusive pastas ten times out of ten.
Posted on 5/31/25 at 6:02 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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S & M is a American thing, you won't hardly find it in Italy. Also you will be disappointed in their version of pizza as well.
What’s funny is Italy has spaghetti, and they have meatballs (called polpette) but they don’t combine the two into a dish. Italian meals are served appetizer (antipasto) first course (usually pasta dish) second course (meat or protein) dessert
With pizza it varies by region but generally in Italy pizza is a light meal and eaten with knife and fork. It’s thin crust with minimal toppings and tomato sauce. Sicilian pizza is thick and baked in a deep dish with more toppings. Sicilian pizza is the most similar to American style. Italian American cuisine is largely influenced by Sicilian culture, not mainland Italy. The two cultures are about as similar as Louisiana and Minnesota culture. Sicily and south Italy despise Rome and northern Italy and vice versa. They are nothing alike
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