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re: Trane AC cost
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:53 am to MardiGrasCajun
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:53 am to MardiGrasCajun
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I'll let them know during my next meeting with them.
I'm more than aware that there are IR symbols on Trane equipment. That is pretty much the only thing that changed with Trane with IR bought them.
It's not like they moved manufacturing or changed how they manufacture things when IR bought them. They were bought to diversify IR, and also to steal the sales and manufacturing processes that Trane is so good at, to incorporate into IR's other divisions.
You should know that assuming you work for Trane, i mean IR.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:29 am to doubleb
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Trane makes the equipment, but IR owns them.
Johnson Controls owns York.
United Technologies owns Carrier.
This is common in the AC industry for the original companies to have been purchased by other companies.
I build equipment for each of these companies. I assure you I know all of the ends and outs of the a/c manufacturing world. I meet monthly with the decision makers of each company you just named....and then some. The a/c manufacturing world is small and goes way deeper than most know.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
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You should know that assuming you work for Trane, i mean IR.
Nope, I work for someone else. I build equipment and coils for every brand known and unknown. I meet with the IR people to build the Trane products. Trust me on this. They're IR employees making design and purchasing decisions on Trane equipment.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:47 am to MardiGrasCajun
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I build equipment for each of these companies. I assure you I know all of the ends and outs of the a/c manufacturing world. I meet monthly with the decision makers of each company you just named....and then some. The a/c manufacturing world is small and goes way deeper than most know.
I don't know the ends and outs of manufacturing, but I do know who owns some of these AC companies.
Is anything I posted incorrect?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:20 am to doubleb
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Is anything I posted incorrect?
Nah, all good. JCI is waaaay more involved than IR or UTC. JCI owns several others, too. JCI actually owns a very large stake in one of the larger A/C distribution companies (US Air), too. They're trying to control their profits all the way down to the contractor.
They all have input though. These conglomerates aren't letting these companies just wing it without considerable input. I'd say JCI is most involved with their air conditioning division though. IR/Trane is by far the most difficult of the bunch.
On a side note, I build equipment and coils for all industries, including classic car a/c, marine, buses, OTR trucks, recovery units, refrigeration, etc. We build millions of custom coils. Example...a classic car a/c "manufacturer" can maybe manufacture some of their parts, but condenser and evaporator coils are a whole different animal. This type of business just throws itself at us.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:26 am to MardiGrasCajun
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They're IR employees making design and purchasing decisions on Trane equipment.
Well Trane employees are IR employees b/c IR owns them.
what i'm trying to say is when people think of IR, they think of air compressors and air tools. Absolutely nothing about compressed air, or the people in charge of compressed air with IR, have anything to do at all with the Trane side of business. Trane runs their own business, as they always have out of their headquarters in New Jersey, and main manufacturing plant in Wisconsin.
There is no one from engineering from IR, in Davidson NC, where they are headquartered and where the CEO of IR works, that has anything to do with the design of Trane stuff. Trane engineers do that, and the only connection they have to IR is that's the name on their pay checks.
The only place Trane and IR mix, is at a very very high level, and i doubt you are talking to the president of CLimate solutions for Ingersoll Rand, a guy that is a step below the CEO of IR.
Trust me. And i doubt anyone that works for Trane that you are meeting with, call themselves IR people. Most Trane employees can't stand that they are owned by IR, or that someone would call them an IR employee.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:55 pm to MardiGrasCajun
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Outside my office window:
I believe the gauntlet has been thrown down to any other AC “hobbyists”. Lol
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:13 pm to weurf3
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Looks like I'm replacing outside unit and attic air/heat unit. Anyone setup a XV18 variable speed lately and can share the cost? NOLA area btw.
My recommendation is to call at least 3 if not 5 HVAC companies to get a quote. Now is a good time to get it done as they are not nearly as busy as in the spring and summer.
If you can wait until November its likely even better.
As said, there is a lot of lee way in price. It will take a tech or 2 half a day to install a normal AC in and out unit if its just a swap. And the mark up is somewhere around double what it costs them to buy the machine.
Generally if you call 5 people around now, someone will give you a good deal to get your business.
ETA: I got 5 quotes when I replaced my 2.5 ton in my rental property recently and they ran from $2800 to $5500 for mid grade machines with the same work. It was all about demand and how bad they wanted my businesses basically.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:18 pm to Solo Cam
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This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 6:22 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Trust me. And i doubt anyone that works for Trane that you are meeting with, call themselves IR people. Most Trane employees can't stand that they are owned by IR, or that someone would call them an IR employee.
The good folks I meet with very much represent themselves as IR employees....shirts and all. They come in from Ingersoll Rand in Clarksville, TN. and Tyler, TX. On all correspondences, they are Ingersoll Rand....even their emails are @irco.com. There is absolutely no mention of Trane.
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i doubt you are talking to the president of CLimate solutions for Ingersoll Rand
...no such position. However, I have met Jason at a social function but I don't deal with him directly for what we do for them. IR has Senior Product Managers to negotiate products with us. I can't say who I am on here, but I can say this. I'm the third highest ranking executive for one of the largest ICM's in the world. There is only the CEO and the President above me. The founder of our company was the first person to ever put a split system air conditioning system in a residential property. We are considered one of the earliest pioneers in the development of air conditioning. The founder and his family have always been good friends with the Carrier family and the Norris (Lennox) family from back in the day. It's an interesting company to work for and the old school stories are fantastic.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:34 pm to MardiGrasCajun
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I can't say who I am on here, but I can say this. I'm the third highest ranking executive for one of the largest ICM's in the world. There is only the CEO and the President above me. The founder of our company was the first person to ever put a split system air conditioning system in a residential property. We are considered one of the earliest pioneers in the development of air conditioning. The founder and his family have always been good friends with the Carrier family and the Norris (Lennox) family from back in the day. It's an interesting company to work for and the old school stories are fantastic.
Sounds like you are offering an OT discount on A/C parts and systems.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:02 pm to MardiGrasCajun
I started the thread, I need the first discounted system.
What's your opinion on Daiken?
What's your opinion on Daiken?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:13 pm to weurf3
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What's your opinion on Daiken?
Daikin (Goodman) is a good product now. Back in the day, Goodman was considered one of the worst. After Daikin bought them in 2012 their quality improved dramatically. The Asian engineers (Daikin and Samsung) are extremely precise regarding performance and quality.
My preferences:
1) Most JCI products (York, Luxaire,etc.)
2) Rheem/Ruud or Trane
3) Goodman
4) Lennox
...and if you can afford it, the Carrier Infinity system is pretty stellar. It's big money up front though. Otherwise, run from Carrier or Bryant.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:39 pm to MardiGrasCajun
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They come in from Ingersoll Rand in Clarksville, TN
You mean they come in from Trane in Clarksville, TN.
IR is in Nashville, not Clarksville.
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...no such position. However, I have met Jason at a social function but I don't deal with him directly for what we do for them. IR has Senior Product Managers to negotiate products with us.
I assumed there was a climate solutions president, but as an IR employee that has nothing to do with Trane, i can see that there is a commercial VP and a residential VP, that both report to the IR executive VP, who reports to the CEO.
Look man, all i'm trying to say is Trane is Trane. Ingersoll Rand is Ingersoll Rand. yes IR owns Trane, yes Trane employees have IR emails now, yes Trane employees will have IR logos on their shirts. But Trane is still Trane. Of course you're meeting with IR people, but within IR those people call themselves Trane people, not IR people, like i would call myself.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Look man, all i'm trying to say is Trane is Trane. Ingersoll Rand is Ingersoll Rand.
Honestly, I don't really care what they call themselves. They can call themselves McDonald's as long as they keep throwing millions at me.Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:10 pm to MardiGrasCajun
If you were smart, you would have invested some money in IR the last 2 years. It's nearly doubled in that time frame.
Trane is the guys with the money at IR. They bring in the most money, they are more profitable, and their salesman and managers make more money. Tons of IR people have gotten new jobs with Trane. No one from Trane goes work for IR.
Trane is the guys with the money at IR. They bring in the most money, they are more profitable, and their salesman and managers make more money. Tons of IR people have gotten new jobs with Trane. No one from Trane goes work for IR.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If you were smart, you would have invested some money in IR the last 2 years. It's nearly doubled in that time frame.
Trane is the guys with the money at IR. They bring in the most money, they are more profitable, and their salesman and managers make more money. Tons of IR people have gotten new jobs with Trane. No one from Trane goes work for IR.
Oh, I know. I have friends that work for Trane. I was on the distributor side of the biz for years in Louisiana and Texas.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 4:33 pm to weurf3
I wouldn't recommend Trane.
Ever since I've put mine in (2010) I've had something go wrong on it every year.
Ever since I've put mine in (2010) I've had something go wrong on it every year.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:01 pm to Quidam65
Looks like compressor was the culprit. Outside unit is 21 yrs old. Ole girl had a good run.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:13 pm to MardiGrasCajun
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This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 10:31 pm
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