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re: Toyota will not replace every Tundra/Lexus engine. Will rely on AI/software
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:22 pm to s14suspense
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:22 pm to s14suspense
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Funds that they paid back in a few months?
Got anything to back that up? My recollection is award was 2009 and repayment happened in 22.
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V6 hybrid
I have one of those. It’s my daily and pig hunting mobile.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 10:24 pm
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:31 pm to billjamin
Yeah, apparently you’re right.
They took a loan from the federal government, not a bailout like GM and Chrysler did and paid their loan back finally in 2022.
Same, I’m pretty damn happy with it and my 2016 Ecoboost before it.
They took a loan from the federal government, not a bailout like GM and Chrysler did and paid their loan back finally in 2022.
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I have one of those. It’s my daily
Same, I’m pretty damn happy with it and my 2016 Ecoboost before it.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:32 pm to s14suspense
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They took a loan from the federal government, not a bailout like GM and Chrysler did and paid their loan back finally in 2022.
Agreed but it was still a below market rate loan that was subsidized by the US taxpayer.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:32 pm to Sharlo
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Toyota went full retard on these turbo V6s.
They really did. All they had to do was some minor interior updates, add a modern infotainment system like everyone else and upgrade the fuel economy a bit.
The new engines are obviously terrible and I'm not a huge fan of the new exteriors except for maybe on the 1794 level models.
I was a Toyota guy my entire life but specifically avoided buying a Tundra last year when I purchased a new truck because of these issues.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 11:23 pm to jfan244888
I thought they never got recalls?
Weird.
Weird.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 11:25 pm to Sharlo
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Who keeps convincing automakers to bet on those damned things?
Climate change? Those V8s had shite gas mileage.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 11:57 pm to JoeyBiscuits
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All they had to do was some minor interior updates, add a modern infotainment system like everyone else and upgrade the fuel economy a bit.
It wasn’t all a fuel economy issue. The old V8 couldn’t pass the new emissions regulations. Turbos during testing look great because they do emissions testing under light loads where they can stay off boost. Naturally a smaller engine in light load looks great for emissions.
In the real world, the turbo engine don’t last as long, when they are making power while in boost, aren’t very efficient and ultimately don’t deliver on their promise. They just look good for regulations.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:57 am to Sharlo
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Toyota went full retard on these turbo V6s.
thanks O'biden.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:11 am to jfan244888
I learned a new word today: swarf
You trashy piece of swarf.
You trashy piece of swarf.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:35 am to SloaneRanger
Why are these manufactures all of a sudden having swarf issues? GM. Toyota, Honda and Hyundai all have major amounts of engine failures. Why a ll at the same time?
Why all of a sudden we forgot how to clean engines before building. Do they all use the same supplier of a particular component that is causing this?
Why all of a sudden we forgot how to clean engines before building. Do they all use the same supplier of a particular component that is causing this?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:43 am to BHM
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Why are these manufactures all of a sudden having swarf issues? GM. Toyota, Honda and Hyundai all have major amounts of engine failures. Why a ll at the same time?
Probably has more to do with bearing tolerances. Think swarf has always existed to some extent.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:45 am to jfan244888
Just as Boeing declined when the salesmen and bean counters finally wrested control of that company from its engineers, the same has happened to Toyota/Lexus.
#Sad
"Let's throw AI at this problem."
#Sad
"Let's throw AI at this problem."
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:45 am to s14suspense
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Probably has more to do with bearing tolerances.
Combined with 0w oil.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 6:46 am
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:56 am to dgnx6
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Those V8s had shite gas mileage.
I have both models. The V6 produces more peak horsepower and more torque at a much lower RPM. Coupled with this 10 speed transmission, it drives much better than my V8 with a bit better MPG
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:01 am to RemyLeBeau
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The V6 produces more peak horsepower and more torque at a much lower RPM.
Until it blows up...
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:08 am to RemyLeBeau
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The V6 produces more peak horsepower and more torque at a much lower RPM. Coupled with this 10 speed transmission, it drives much better than my V8 with a bit better MPG
It wasn't that long ago I would have said, "If anyone can figure this out, it's Toyota." With these failures, I'm not so sure. I bet the engineering is solid, though.
It is just the execution. It is proving very difficult to produce engines with such low tolerances at scale without some degree of mechanical failure. And I'm certain that over time they will not be as durable as older engines, say Toyota and Honda had developed over decades of outstanding engineering.
The core 3.5L V6 that Toyota then tweaked to put in almost everything for decades is a nearly indestructible engine. They had some 4-bangers like that as did Honda.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:17 am to BHM
Watch that Dave's Auto video. The grit running throughout the motor is at least half the size of the bearing tolerances. Finally a large enough grain/enough of it grabbed a main bearing and spun it. Grit was throughout the whole motor. It didn't have an oil filter on it but that would have been interesting to see what it caught.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:20 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Nobody should forget that our tax dollars have propped up gm and ford
Wrong…GM completely folded and the government started a new company with the same name. So the initial effort to prop them up failed, and shareholders got nothing, including no stock in the new GM. Obama likes to brag about “saving” GM but that didn’t happen.
Ford did indeed get a massive loan, with the stipulation that they had to play ball with emissions standards and alt fuels.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:23 am to Ace Midnight
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It is just the execution. It is proving very difficult to produce engines with such low tolerances at scale without some degree of mechanical failure.
There are some mechanics that believe with the tight tolerances of main bearing #1 and the low oil pressure at idle, there isn't enough oil to support lubrication as the engine accelerates. This thought is coming from the fact that the hybrids aren't being recalled or report failures since the battery is used to accelerate the truck from a stop.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:24 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Feeling better and better about keeping my old taco with the v6 and adding a f150 with a v8. Almost traded in taco for a tundra
Wise choice. The 3rd gen Taco's and earlier are fantastic. I'm not a Ford guy, but that 5.0 Coyote engine is a damn fine powerplant.
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