re: Toyota to replace faulty 3.4 Twin Turbos in massive recall.

An airbag is a lot different than changing the motor out. GM would have half asses this, they have proven it in the past. They won’t even acknowledge the problem much less fix it. Toyota don’t frick around.

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There is a thread about keeping politics off this board. I wasn’t being serious.

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10-4.

My sarcasm detector isn’t very effective at 7am.

This is going to cost them billions....

Because Toyota acknowledges the problem and doesn’t deny it. That’s why Toyota is being patted on the back. No, we shouldn’t have to, but GM has been denying transmission problems and basically telling people to go frick themselves.

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Because Toyota acknowledges the problem and doesn’t deny it. That’s why Toyota is being patted on the back.

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This issue has been out there essentially since the trucks were introduced.

And it is something as simple as not properly cleaning the machining debris out of the block. Basic manufacturing processes that they failed on. It has nothing to do with it being a "government mandated turbo engine".

Yet here come the Toyota fanboiz pimping Yota for fixing it's frickup, after months of pictures of Tundras with their cabs hoisted up in the air, while trying to distract by pointing over the other way.

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People post threads about recalls and you can’t say oh x has all these recalls but then turn around and say only Toyota fixes their issues quickly. Well no, that’s not true.

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Other manufacturers issue recalls all the time. Other manufacturers do not issue recalls that include replacement of the entire engine all the time. Honestly the closest thing I can remember is the VW TDI diesel scandal where they basically had to buy all of the cars back - but only after multiple lawsuits and government investigations. Granted, even that was a bit different considering it was about them cheating the emissions testing rather than a reliability issue.

I think what people are getting at is that it’s exceedingly rare for a manufacturer to commit to a repair of this magnitude, this quickly, after discovering an issue. Many (maybe most) manufacturers would drag it out and try to negotiate with pissed owners on a one-off basis. Toyota could have taken this approach but there is a different expectation of reliability (both from prospective owners and Toyota themselves).

It doesn’t excuse Toyota for shipping the vehicles in the first place but it does show a commitment to quality.

The point about side air bags, or seatbelt tensioners, or ignition switches is that those are much simpler (read: less costly) repairs. So those recalls should be expected to go out faster because the risk/reward calculation for the manufacturer is much simpler.

Speaking of ignition switches.. remember when GM found out their ignition switches were faulty in 2001, didn’t fix the issue in manufacturing until 2008, and didn’t issue a recall for the 2001-2007 vehicles until 2014 (after something like 100 fatalities and subsequent lawsuits)? That was a $10 part that could be installed in an hour.

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This issue has been out there essentially since the trucks were introduced.

And it is something as simple as not properly cleaning the machining debris out of the block. Basic manufacturing processes that they failed on. It has nothing to do with it being a "government mandated turbo engine".

Yet here come the Toyota fanboiz pimping Yota for fixing it's frickup, after months of pictures of Tundras with their cabs hoisted up in the air, while trying to distract by pointing over the other way.

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While I'm right there with you on most of the post, the very heart of Toyota's reliability is that they very seldom introduce new engines or transmissions, and when they do, they usually start off in niche, low production vehicles. The 5.7 started out in the Lexus lineup, for example. That is why, class for class, they trail pretty much everyone in comprehensive performance measures, while remaining very reliable.

This change is outside the Toyota norm in that they designed an all-new engine/trans and ran it straight into production in volume models. When you have to do things like that, and believe me, they HAD to, things like machining debris happen.

I’ve got one of these. I guess a new engine isn’t the worst thing ever. I am about to turn 40k miles.

I’m assuming based on the language included in the release that this is an entire new engine and not just the block?

Have the 2024 engines or the hybrids had any problems?

The government is forcing them to with environment regulations.

So the people that say “I don’t like talking about politics because it doesn’t affect me”. Well here you go