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re: Tornado outbreak, 94 dead, Upwards of 100 unaccounted for search/rescue & cleanup ongoing
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:14 pm to CCT
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:14 pm to CCT
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What happened with that?
Sometime after the event, I read rumor on a weather message board that there were people in the Hackleburg/Phil Campbell area who were in an underground shelter and were still killed. I don’t remember if it was said how exactly they were killed, just that they had been. Again, I don’t think these stories were ever officially confirmed.
That tornado was an extremely violent EF-5. We know that it scoured the ground and pulled pavement off the ground. So, I think it’s possible that it could have done that depending on the construction of the shelter, the door on the shelter, etc.
The Hackleburg/Phil Campbell tornado was the deadliest single tornado of the 2011 Super Outbreak and is the deadliest tornado in Alabama history. It killed 72 people.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 10:18 pm
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:17 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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That tornado was an extremely violent EF-5. We know that it scoured the ground and pulled pavement off the ground. So, I think it’s possible that it could have done that depending on the construction of the shelter, the door on the shelter, etc. But again, it wasn’t confirmed.
I tend to believe it after reading alot.
The Smithville, MS EF5 pulled an iron drainpipe buried 8-12" deep from the ground. There are pics to support that. It also pulled, I believe, a water meter box from the ground.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:22 pm to AUstar
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Also, I heard this tornado was on the ground for several hundred miles. Were they tracking it the whole time?
the 1st warning on the cell was issued while it was just north of Little Rock, Ark.
it had warnings on it almost continually (there were a few miles on either side of Louisville where it wasn't warned) until roughly the Kentucky/Ohio border near... say... Maysville, Ky.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:23 pm to LegendInMyMind
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NWS Memphis @NWSMemphis
Preliminary findings suggest that at least two EF-3 tornadoes struck the Mid South Friday evening. We will continue to survey the damage along the paths of these two long track tornadoes. Rating is subject to change as we acquire more data.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:28 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Damn…
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:53 pm to LegendInMyMind
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solid above-ground safe room
People saying that you have to be below ground: look at the research from Texas Tech’s wind institute. With the help of FEMA, they developed above ground shelters that can basically withstand anything.
I saw multiple instances, while doing clean-up work in the days after the Moore 2013 EF5, where the entire house was gone except for the above ground shelter.
My parents have one, and you can’t believe how thick the doors are on these things. It’s pretty wild. I’d absolutely feel safe in there no matter what was bearing down on us.
Ted Talk by TTU engineer on this very subject
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:57 pm to okietiger
My aunt lives north of OKC and they have one thats above ground. I dont want to imagine the tornado it would take to damage that thing.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:58 pm to rt3
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the 1st warning on the cell was issued while it was just north of Little Rock, Ark.
Likely first touchdown of the cell:
@SimonStormRider
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Think we found the start of the longtrack potential "Quad-State Tornado" today near Greenfield, AR.
Took a few hours to nail down potential location. w/ @WX_ManMike
@StormChasingVid
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Long Track Tornado Damage Path Survey - 12/12/2021 Here is the short clip, to see the longer clip goto LINK via @SimonStormRider @WX_ManMike #ARWX #Tornado #tornadoes LINK
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:05 pm to Duke
I saw shite exactly like this. Was chilling and incredible to say the least:
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:15 pm to okietiger
I know a guy who builds/installs both residential and commercial (for towns and cities mostly) above ground shelters. There's alot to meeting the standards.
Some neighbors of mine did a closet/safe room in their home when they did an addition that would be ideal for new home construction. Inside it just looks like a closet. I have a full set of plans for one like it kicking around somewhere.
Those type shelters can be added to an existing garage or building that is on a slab. It is getting more and more affordable every year it seems.
Whatever option anyone chooses, a helpful bit of information is that you can register your shelter's GPS coordinates with FEMA and local EMAs. Look at the wreckage we are seeing now. Finding shelters in that can be difficult. You often lose cell service after a tornado like that. You can be trapped by debris in your shelter, but otherwise be perfectly fine. Having that reassurance on file can give a little peace of mind if such a disaster strikes.
Some neighbors of mine did a closet/safe room in their home when they did an addition that would be ideal for new home construction. Inside it just looks like a closet. I have a full set of plans for one like it kicking around somewhere.
Those type shelters can be added to an existing garage or building that is on a slab. It is getting more and more affordable every year it seems.
Whatever option anyone chooses, a helpful bit of information is that you can register your shelter's GPS coordinates with FEMA and local EMAs. Look at the wreckage we are seeing now. Finding shelters in that can be difficult. You often lose cell service after a tornado like that. You can be trapped by debris in your shelter, but otherwise be perfectly fine. Having that reassurance on file can give a little peace of mind if such a disaster strikes.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:22 pm to LegendInMyMind
My parents’ is in the garage.
Funny you say that about registering the shelter: the steel is so thick that you can’t get any cell signal inside it with the door closed.
Funny you say that about registering the shelter: the steel is so thick that you can’t get any cell signal inside it with the door closed.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:31 pm to okietiger
A relative of min had an in ground shelter, which is pretty rare for Louisiana. His wife took one look at it and said she'd rather take her chances with the tornado than in there with the rats and shakes.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:34 pm to Jim Rockford
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A relative of min had an in ground shelter, which is pretty rare for Louisiana. His wife took one look at it and said she'd rather take her chances with the tornado than in there with the rats and shakes.
well damn... I find shakes quite tasty
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:25 am to Briella
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fricking know it all has been meteorologist on Twitter with the worst take ever is trashing the SPC for their outlooks not being “high risk” for this event. Some people I swear… risk means chance, possibility, etc. it has nothing to do with severity. There was some uncertainty over this event, which is why it was just a moderate.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:27 am to EthicalHedonist
Just in it for the money
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:58 am to okietiger
If that is not from Tuscaloosa 2011, it sure looks similar.
I'd seriously consider installing one with a new construction.
But, with all the rebar and concrete and steel, I'm sure it is very costly to add, even for a small hall closet sized one.
I'd seriously consider installing one with a new construction.
But, with all the rebar and concrete and steel, I'm sure it is very costly to add, even for a small hall closet sized one.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 6:00 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 6:03 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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a weather message board
Where are these?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:36 am to East Coast Band
Read a story somewhere. A family just moved into their new house and were excited about the kids having their own bedrooms for the first time. The 9 year old kid died and everybody else had to be airlifted to the hospital 
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:48 am to East Coast Band
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Where are these?
There are a number of them out there, but the two I look at are Talkweather.com and SouthernWX.com. Those two are focused primarily made up of people from the southeast.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:12 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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