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re: To what extent would LSU be more prestigious if it were in a safer location?

Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:42 am to
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:42 am to
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BR crime problems was one of the main reasons
why? I live in the city of BR and my older two are at lsu

I haven’t heard of anything happening to any of their friends.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:55 am to
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four-year graduation rates.



That puts a ceiling on any south Louisiana school. A lot of 18 year olds don't have the maturity to go to a party school in a party town.
Posted by shiphascomein
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:55 am to
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BR crime problems was one of the main reasons
why? I live in the city of BR and my older two are at lsu

I haven’t heard of anything happening to any of their friends.

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Bad things happen everywhere, but we try to isolate ourselves from as much of it as possible by the choices we make. The possibility of being victimized is greater if you put yourself into a situation where you can be a victim, versus not putting yourself in that position to begin with. So, at LSU, i think most all of us agree that the possibility of being a victim is greater than other places.

Also, just to address your point about you not having heard of anything happening to any of your kid's friends, I know of someone whose son was held up and robbed at gun point in a parking garage by ION Apartments.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:02 am to
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So, at LSU, i think most all of us agree that the possibility of being a victim is greater than other places.
is there a lot of crime on campus? I think it’s mostly in the rest of Baton Rouge. So, I am not sure if I can agree.

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, I know of someone whose son was held up and robbed at gun point in a parking garage by ION Apartments.
that is terrible, but it has been shitty over there since my brother lived in Kirby-Smith in the early 2000s, and way before then.
Posted by shiphascomein
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:22 am to
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So, at LSU, i think most all of us agree that the possibility of being a victim is greater than other places.
is there a lot of crime on campus? I think it’s mostly in the rest of Baton Rouge. So, I am not sure if I can agree.

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, I know of someone whose son was held up and robbed at gun point in a parking garage by ION Apartments.
that is terrible, but it has been shitty over there since my brother lived in Kirby-Smith in the early 2000s, and way before then.

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I think you are making my point. The area around LSU has been terrible for decades. It was bad north of campus in the 90's, and still is. Tigerland, Burbank, Brightside were all OK back then, but not so much now. The actual campus is probably fine, safety wise, but after freshman year most don't live on campus. And, certainly, most students spend a good bit of time at Fred's, etc. Not saying someone can't go to LSU and have a perfectly safe experience, it's just a choice he made to be someplace else that is, by every factor, safer, cleaner, and just better... Kids are going to make dumb decisions that put themselves in potential danger. When he was making his decision where to go to college, part of the calculus was, if he makes bad decisions, where has the lower likelihood of those bad decisions resulting in something REALLY bad happening.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:44 am to
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find your stupidity to be astounding.

ETA

Engineering
Vet school
MBA program



Interesting. I actually know little about LSUs academics. As one poster said.. It's known for athletics. I assumed that LSU has a strong chemical /petro chem engineering program(s) due to the resources around the area.
I know that rankings arent the end all but a starting point. Going by USNews WR rankings...LSU has the 7th best bet school in the SEC ( one place ahead of Miss St) and the 8th best engineering ( which is probably diluted to all engineering ). Who cares about MBA. So even in just SEC , LSU isn't in the top half of the programs you were highlighting.

ETA: unapologetically I will not let my daughters go to LSU. 1) There's no reason academically - there are better schools closer 2) I read about the crime and issues on here about BR and ...NO. ( Granted anything can happen anywhere but odds..) 3) I still distinctly remember the piss smell when I was LSUs indoor track for a meet and that was early 90s - doesnt sound like that has changed. But there are also other schools that are prohibited - Louisville for instance
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Hellp
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:45 am to
Some people don’t want to hear the truth and remain willfully ignorant about the sad state of crime in BR, the negative force it has on all of us here, neighborhoods losing value, and a horrid public education system. And the fact that LSU is a walkthrough for so much violent crime now is the straw that broke the tiger’s back for my family. My child is off to out of state university in the fall. TOPS and Honors at LSU don’t mean a thing to us anymore. Very sad. We will also be moving out of South Louisiana. I’m originally from the New Orleans area and won’t go back there either.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 11:47 am
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:51 am to
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I think you are making my point. The area around LSU has been terrible for decades.
yes Baton Rouge has sucked for a long time but people still keep having great experiences at lsu

Most students aren’t a victim of a crime, so people keep coming.

My daughter had free rides to tons of places but she wanted to stay home. My son, not so much. But he walks his sister to class and no one is going to bother him, so I’m not worried.
Posted by Hellp
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:54 am to
The disease has spread far into once good student apartment living areas. It’s too much crime decay in BR and rapidly spreading around all parts of the city.
Posted by USAFTiger42
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:58 am to
Yeah you're right it's the same.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:12 pm to
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I read that LSU was in the bottom half of SEC academic rankings a few weeks ago
take those rankings with a grain of salt...
Posted by shiphascomein
Member since May 2015
111 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:18 pm to
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I think you are making my point. The area around LSU has been terrible for decades.
yes Baton Rouge has sucked for a long time but people still keep having great experiences at lsu

Most students aren’t a victim of a crime, so people keep coming.

My daughter had free rides to tons of places but she wanted to stay home. My son, not so much. But he walks his sister to class and no one is going to bother him, so I’m not worried.

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That's great, really, and I hope she does well and loves LSU as much as I (and you) do. Louisiana needs more of the high achieving kids to stay home, go to LSU, and then start their career in the state. However, I just don't see that as a priority for the people in government leadership positions who make decisions. Simple things like litter, graffiti, bad roads, etc are all tolerated (or celebrated) down here. We wear our objective failures as a badge of honor, and say it's our culture. Crawfish boils, parades and festivals are fun, but other places w/o those things have grown and excelled over the past 30 years. Look at other states that have taken a different approach and blown past us. North and South Carolina, Texas, Florida, Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, etc. are literally lapping us.
Posted by JasonDBlaha
Woodlands, Texas
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:24 pm to
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Who would have thought that a college with most students from that state would not be prestigious.


You’re 100% right. As much as people don’t want to admit it on here, Louisiana has a small talent pool when it comes to smart kids.. Combine that with the fact that the majority of LSU’s student body is from in-state, it’s not hard to figure out why LSU’s academic rankings are near the bottom of the SEC.

The higher-ups at Tulane knew that the only way to boost endowment and academic rankings was to go after out-of-state students who were in the top 10% of their class. They went that route, and because of that, Tulane has much better academic rankings and a much higher endowment than LSU.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Shorts Guy
BR
Member since Dec 2023
43 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:26 pm to
Same…everyone in my class that went to UL either didn’t get into LSU or were really only going to college for the party.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
1666 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:31 pm to
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ou know LSU fell off a cliff when graduates of a degree like ChemE might need to consider taking the EIT after the FE to show competency. Like WTF was I learning the past 4 yrs



Ummm, any company that wants a professional engineer should be hiring someone who's passed the FE? Has nothing to do with LSU. That's like saying it's ridiculous for a law firm to have their applicants pass the bar exam.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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41937 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:32 pm to
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go to LSU, and then start their career in the state.
but there are no jobs here - that is the #1 problem
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We wear our objective failures as a badge of honor, and say it's our culture
it is - my grandma from Texas went to high school, my grandma from NOLA did not - she had to go to work bc they were dirt poor

Poor people don’t get educated and Louisiana doesn’t have jobs for the ones that do - unless you know somebody
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:36 pm to
Tulaneis and will always be known for Northeastern Jewish kids who weren't smart enough to get into Ivy League schools, and that's it
Posted by gillian
Member since May 2017
294 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:37 pm to
The risk of crime may have a marginal effect on the decisions of some students to study at LSU, but the bigger problem is the lack of state investment in the university. We are hemorrhaging high-quality faculty to higher-paying universities, and we are then having a difficult time in recruiting new high-quality faculty to come to LSU for the relatively low salaries that we offer. These high-quality faculty are the very ones that draw the best high-quality students to LSU.

Moreover, the LSU administration has dropped the pretense of flagship standards for admission and has implemented policies of admitting students who do not meet those flagship standards. The elimination of test scores as a requirement is a primary culprit. LSU is driven more by increasing the size of its student body by any means necessary than by the high standards that made it the state's flagship university. The best students in Louisiana can still receive a top-notch education at LSU, particularly if they are in the Honors College and/or are able to work with good faculty mentors, but the supply of high-quality faculty mentors is diminishing because of the lure of other, higher paying faculty positions elsewhere.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
7057 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:39 pm to
In this case, you are correct...and I begrudgingly give you your due
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
7057 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:41 pm to
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Kids that go out of state usually come from wealthy families who can afford to guide their child away from one of the worst states in the country


Except a very large # go to Ole Miss or Alabama
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