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Tiredness of life: the growing phenomenon in western society

Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:32 pm
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Molly was 88 years old and in good health. She had outlived two husbands, her siblings, most of her friends and her only son.

“I don’t have any meaningful relationships left, dear,” she told me. “They’ve all died. And you know what? Underneath it all, I want to leave this world too.” Leaning a little closer, as though she was telling me a secret, she continued:

Shall I tell you what I am? I’m strong. I can admit to myself and to you that there’s nothing left for me here. I’m more than ready to leave when it’s my time. In fact, it can’t come quickly enough.



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Professor of care ethics Els van Wijngaarden and colleagues in the Netherlands listened to a group of older people who were not seriously ill, yet felt a yearning to end their lives. The key issues they identified in such people were: aching loneliness, pain associated with not mattering, struggles with self-expression, existential tiredness, and fear of being reduced to a completely dependent state.


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This need not be the consequence of a lifetime of suffering, or a response to intolerable physical pain. Tiredness of life also seems to arise in people who consider themselves to have lived fulfilling lives. One man of 92 told the network’s researchers:

You have no effect on anything. The ship sets sail and everyone has a job, but you just sail along. I am cargo to them. That’s not easy. That’s not me. Humiliation is too strong a word, but it is bordering on it. I simply feel ignored, completely marginalised.

Another man said:

Look at the condition of those old ladies in the building opposite. Gaunt and half-dead, pointlessly driven around in a wheelchair … It has nothing to do with being human anymore. It is a stage of life I simply don’t want to go through.



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The American novelist Philip Roth wrote that “old age is not a battle, old age is a massacre”. If we live long enough, we can lose our identity, physical capabilities, partner, friends and careers.

For some people, this elicits a deep-rooted sense that life has been stripped of meaning – and that the tools we need to rebuild a sense of purpose are irretrievable.


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The fact that this problem is common enough for researchers to debate it may suggest that modern life has shut older people out of western society. Perhaps elders are no longer revered for their wisdom and experience. But it’s not inevitable. In Japan, age is seen as a spring or rebirth after a busy period of working and raising children. One study found older adults in Japan showed higher scores on personal growth compared with midlife adults, whereas the opposite age pattern was found in the US.

Surgeon and medical professor Atul Gawande argues that in western societies, medicine has created the ideal conditions for transforming ageing into a “long, slow fade”. He believes quality of life has been overlooked as we channel our resources towards biological survival. This is unprecedented in history. Tiredness of life may be evidence of the cost.
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It's barbaric that we don't allow people to go out on their own terms.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79115 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:34 pm to
Maybe we should be examining why our society/culture is so ineffective at providing purpose and value to human life, too.

Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13844 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:35 pm to

Quick dopamine from social media
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
7294 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

Molly was 88 years old and in good health. She had outlived two husbands, her siblings, most of her friends and her only son.

“I don’t have any meaningful relationships left, dear,” she told me. “They’ve all died. And you know what? Underneath it all, I want to leave this world too.” Leaning a little closer, as though she was telling me a secret, she continued:

Shall I tell you what I am? I’m strong. I can admit to myself and to you that there’s nothing left for me here. I’m more than ready to leave when it’s my time. In fact, it can’t come quickly enough.


I see nothing wrong with this.

Let the woman die on her own terms. Some people will take it into their own hands if you don't offer a peaceful alternative. A bullet to the head is not a nice scene for a first responder to have to see.

The pradox of this country both wanting to preserve life at all costs and be against aging is strange. Life ends. You're weaker in your 40s than your 30s. Our bodies break and at a certain point it's time to go.

If you believe that, let people kill themselves. It affects you absolutely none, assuming they are paying for the procedure.
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
2793 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:37 pm to
maybe encourage a gambling habit? Remind them that football season isn't too far off? They'll come around
Posted by luvdoc
"Please Ignore Our Yelp Reviews"
Member since May 2005
916 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:37 pm to
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It's barbaric that we don't allow people to go out on their own terms.


That's an odd conclusion to what you quoted.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:37 pm to
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It's barbaric that we don't allow people to go out on their own terms.



It is.

Cue the Jesus freaks that demand you keep living until you go to the sky clouds, not matter what level of suffering you and your family have to endure.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
108733 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:37 pm to
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It's barbaric that we don't allow people to go out on their own terms.


You can kill yourself whenever you want
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61111 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:38 pm to
They're trying to encourage people to off themselves early. It's the typical Malthusian wish-cast piece.


What do you think the trans stuff is? Same goal. Fewer people on the planet.
Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
80869 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:39 pm to
If I were her, I would develop a cocaine habit and got out with a bang
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
10177 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:39 pm to
She had her opportunity during covid not society’s fault she missed her one way ticket out of this place.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:42 pm to
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If I were her, I would develop a cocaine habit and got out with a bang





Better than taking up Bridge.
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
2793 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:42 pm to
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cocaine habit


good call. Not sure how that didn't occur to me.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11474 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:56 pm to
We have no purpose any longer.

The entire purpose of anything in the media and politics is identity and sexual.

Men cannot be men but women can be. Men are now better at being a woman and dominate their sports. Sunlight is bad and causes cancer. Don't eat meat.

Women are strong and don't need to be married to raise kids.

Nuclear family destroyed.

Social Media is real life.

If you are white you are a racist.

Global warming is going to kill us all.

etc

etc
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 2:57 pm
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:56 pm to
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It's barbaric that we don't allow people to go out on their own terms.


But we do. Anyone who wants to commit suicide can do so. We just don’t help them do it.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:56 pm to
I can completely understand their point of view. I have no real interest in reaching 100 years old for example. At that point you’ve had to watch all your friends die (and possibly children who by that time are 60-70 years old themselves) and have basically become physically unable to care for yourself, even if you’ve taken care of your health.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
4741 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:58 pm to
I'll never stop doing something. One day I'll be to a place where I can take a pay cut to do something new and exciting. I'll play that hand when it's dealt to me.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6823 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:59 pm to
My 92-year-old father is dealing with this right now. Mom's been gone for 6 years, he lives in a nursing home (a very nice one), and he just watches TV and surfs the internet all day long. He's now wheelchair-bound, he's so frail he falls if he tries to use his walker. He's done, he'll tell you he's done.

It's really depressing to watch him go through this knowing that the same could happen to myself or my wife.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79115 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:02 pm to
Anyone being honest sees the potential appeal/charity that would go with allowing an older woman whose entire family has predeceased her to leave early.

But anyone who is being honest would also acknowledge that government/society blessing the practice of euthanasia might have far reaching impacts to how our society views life and death.

The alarm bells about expansion and abuse of euthanasia in Canada certainly aren't just coming from conservatives or Christians.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10306 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:02 pm to
Jesus is always there.

I’m not trying to tell God I don’t care what he says and killing myself. I’ll never support abortion or suicide.
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