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Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:05 pm to Jim Rockford
Our shallow culture has celebrated youth since the Sixties. It’s a tragedy that our culture doesn’t mine the wisdom that our elders could provide like older societies used to do. It’s all about marketing and money and, therefore, the emphasis is on the 20-50 demographic.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:06 pm to Jim Rockford
Are we encouraging people to commit suicide in this thread? Is that really what we're doing? We really have lost all respect for human life.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:07 pm to Jim Rockford
We need to post the Ten Commandments in retirement communities.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:08 pm to Bama and Beer
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If I were her, I would develop a cocaine habit and got out with a bang
I’ve always said that if I contract a terminal illness I am going to develop a wicked heroin habit. Seriously, though, psychedelic research is showing that LSD and Psilocybin can greatly help people with end of life issues.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:09 pm to Pettifogger
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Anyone being honest sees the potential appeal/charity that would go with allowing an older woman whose entire family has predeceased her to leave early.
Agreed. But her situation seems like an outlier compared to the number of terminally ill.
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how our society views life and death.
Yeah, those views are evolving.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:09 pm to Pettifogger
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Maybe we should be examining why our society/culture is so ineffective at providing purpose and value to human life, too.
There are some traditions worth preserving. The current trend of trying to detach humanity from...humanity is nihilistic and destructive
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:09 pm to Gee Grenouille
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I'll never stop doing something.
My paw paw got to the point where he couldn't do anything he enjoyed anymore the last 7-8 years of his life. Just sit in the recliner pretty much. He outlived all of his friends, all 9 siblings, his wife by 20 years.
His kids, grandkids, great grandkids visited as much as possible but I think he was past ready to go at 99.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:17 pm to fallguy_1978
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My paw paw got to the point where he couldn't do anything he enjoyed anymore the last 7-8 years of his life. Just sit in the recliner pretty much. He outlived all of his friends, all 9 siblings, his wife by 20 years.
I think alot of us in the middle of life cant honestly, honestly see this. We dont like looking at unpleasant things. And as you age the ball doesnt bounce as high as it did, "I'm going to stay active",
I'm going to develop new interest". Yeah probably not.
It has to be a horrible existence when that foundation of your life is gone.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:17 pm to lsu13lsu
We really need a modern renaissance.
We need a move away from toxic social media, shitty food, corporatism of medicine, and renewed racial tensions.
Our ancestors did some shitty stuff but they also allowed us to get to this point. Life is literally a video game at this point with very little physical suffering if you play your cards right
We need a move away from toxic social media, shitty food, corporatism of medicine, and renewed racial tensions.
Our ancestors did some shitty stuff but they also allowed us to get to this point. Life is literally a video game at this point with very little physical suffering if you play your cards right
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:19 pm to Jim Rockford
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American novelist Philip Roth
Nihilistic atheist miserable self-loathing a-hole statist-leftist whose tedious verbosity was outweighed only by his self-congratulatory vituperations. I’ll take anything he said with a grain of nonKosher salt.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:22 pm to Lakeboy7
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Yeah, those views are evolving.
Recently not well, in my opinion.
On one hand, it's amazing how far we've come in 100 years as far as being unaccustomed to loss. Live births, not personally knowing men lost at war (on average), industrial accidents, etc. etc.
Yet very recently we're rapidly retreating from that peak valuation of human life, in my view.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:26 pm to Jim Rockford
Western Society doesn't respect elders like societies like Japan do. The elderly have a wealth of information and wisdom, but most act like they just need to die and get out of the way. Go visit your grandparents/parents if you're still lucky enough to have them.
That said, the elderly need to make their own purpose in what is remaining of their lives, no matter how small it is.
That said, the elderly need to make their own purpose in what is remaining of their lives, no matter how small it is.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:33 pm to Lakeboy7
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It has to be a horrible existence when that foundation of your life is gone.
He was pretty miserable once he lost the ability to be physically active. He liked being outside, messing around in the garden or in the shop etc. Amazingly, he was still able to do that until about 92-93.
I feel like he lost a lot of his enjoyment of life when he couldn't do anything for himself anymore and felt like a burden on others. I get it.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:37 pm to McLemore
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Nihilistic atheist miserable self-loathing a-hole statist-leftist
It seems to be a very popular lifestyle choice today. An attempt to create a detached utopia doesn't even sound like something humans can handle.
When people stop struggling with life externally they start struggling internally and ultimately destroy themselves.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:39 pm to Jim Rockford
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a group of older people who were not seriously ill, yet felt a yearning to end their lives. The key issues they identified in such people were: aching loneliness, pain associated with not mattering, struggles with self-expression, existential tiredness, and fear of being reduced to a completely dependent state.
I’ve kinda felt that way for awhile, and I’m only 56.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:42 pm to Jim Rockford
John Prine-Hello in there
We had an apartment in the city
Me and Loretta liked living there
Well, it'd been years since the kids had grown
A life of their own, left us alone
John and Linda live in Omaha
And Joe is somewhere on the road
We lost Davy in the Korean war
And I still don't know what for, don't matter anymore
You know that old trees just grow stronger
And old rivers grow wilder every day
Old people just grow lonesome
Waiting for someone to say, "Hello in there, hello"
Me and Loretta, we don't talk much more
She sits and stares through the back door screen
And all the news just repeats itself
Like some forgotten dream that we've both seen
Someday I'll go and call up Rudy
We worked together at the factory
What could I say if he asks "What's new?"
"Nothing, what's with you? Nothing much to do"
You know that old trees just grow stronger
And old rivers grow wilder every day
Old people just grow lonesome
Waiting for someone to say, "Hello in there, hello"
So if you're walking down the street sometime
And spot some hollow ancient eyes
Please don't just pass 'em by and stare
As if you didn't care, say, "Hello in there, hello"
We had an apartment in the city
Me and Loretta liked living there
Well, it'd been years since the kids had grown
A life of their own, left us alone
John and Linda live in Omaha
And Joe is somewhere on the road
We lost Davy in the Korean war
And I still don't know what for, don't matter anymore
You know that old trees just grow stronger
And old rivers grow wilder every day
Old people just grow lonesome
Waiting for someone to say, "Hello in there, hello"
Me and Loretta, we don't talk much more
She sits and stares through the back door screen
And all the news just repeats itself
Like some forgotten dream that we've both seen
Someday I'll go and call up Rudy
We worked together at the factory
What could I say if he asks "What's new?"
"Nothing, what's with you? Nothing much to do"
You know that old trees just grow stronger
And old rivers grow wilder every day
Old people just grow lonesome
Waiting for someone to say, "Hello in there, hello"
So if you're walking down the street sometime
And spot some hollow ancient eyes
Please don't just pass 'em by and stare
As if you didn't care, say, "Hello in there, hello"
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It seems to be a very popular lifestyle choice today.
It certainly seems like we're headed for a social catastrophe. We've got tens of millions of people who are relatively isolated, without purpose and without meaningful work and they've got a lot of years left.
I'm not really talking about social unrest or the like (although that's certainly possible too), more so a widespread epidemic of despair in a first world nation.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:45 pm to Jim Rockford
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western society
Keywords.
Just a bunch of nihilistic drivel not reflected in other societies that value their elderly.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:47 pm to Pettifogger
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more so a widespread epidemic of despair in a first world nation.
Its happening in Japan as we speak, and to a degree in western Europe.
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