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Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:29 am to Lutcher Lad
You're an ignorant douche
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:31 pm to Lutcher Lad
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I could say, let God sort them out...but we can free up some cells by eliminating the ones who are guilty beyond a doubt, with eye witnesses, etc.
Like if someone would have witnessed the thug who killed the truck driver yesterday and pointed him out in a lineup...I would say fry the MF!
I don't think many people disagree with indisputable proof = quick death sentence.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:35 pm to bmy
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Well, some of them are innocent
Unfortunately, this happens a lot more than it ever should.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:35 pm to Lutcher Lad
They should revamp the death penalty policy a little.
If there are 1 of a few things present, its immediate death sentence:
- Video proof (not evidence) of the crime. For example, video of someone executing another person and are clearly identifiable is different than a video of someone's car leaving the scene of a murder
- Confession given with attorney present after a psych eval.
- Combination of multiple, reliable eye witnesses in conjunction with physical evidence
In these cases, take them out back with no publicity, bullet to the dome, and throw them in an unmarked grave. Forgotten forever.
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And cases that do not have one of these are not eligible for the death penalty. IMO.
If there are 1 of a few things present, its immediate death sentence:
- Video proof (not evidence) of the crime. For example, video of someone executing another person and are clearly identifiable is different than a video of someone's car leaving the scene of a murder
- Confession given with attorney present after a psych eval.
- Combination of multiple, reliable eye witnesses in conjunction with physical evidence
In these cases, take them out back with no publicity, bullet to the dome, and throw them in an unmarked grave. Forgotten forever.
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And cases that do not have one of these are not eligible for the death penalty. IMO.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:41 pm to TheCaterpillar
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- Video proof (not evidence) of the crime
Identification can always be argued, especially with the quality of most surveillance cameras.
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- Confession given with attorney present after a psych eval.
Why would any defense attorney ever let their client do this?
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- Combination of multiple, reliable eye witnesses in conjunction with physical evidence
Ever seen My Cousin Vinny? People in stressful situations can forget, change, and even invent details without even meaning to or realizing it.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:44 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Identification can always be argued, especially with the quality of most surveillance cameras.
That's not proof if it's not clear. My ring security camera can see the blackheads on the nose of our fedex guy
Security cameras are getting ridiculously clear these days. In cases where they're not, that is evidence, not proof, thus not eligible for my scenario.
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Why would any defense attorney ever let their client do this?
Defense attorneys aren't the client's boss. Sometimes people just come clean. There are lots of prisoners on death row that confessed and believe they deserve death.
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Ever seen My Cousin Vinny? People in stressful situations can forget, change, and even invent details without even meaning to or realizing it.
A. Not reliable.
B. Not good physical evidence. That wasn't DNA or fingerprints, the two main items of physical evidence that would be required in my scenario.
I don't think you've seen it. A fake lawyer and mechanic from New York successfully argued the evidence was bad.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:46 pm to bmy
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Well, some of them are innocent
Yeah, but the majority of them are 100%, provably, demonstrably guilty of the crime, and no other possible guilty party exists. Why are those folks on assisted living for decades?
There should be at least 2 categories for convicted murderers. One for those where incontrovertible physical and forensic evidence of them committing the crime, and one for the rest. Those on the first list cannot appeal their conviction on technicalities that arose at trial, unless it directly refutes the evidence used to convict.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:47 pm to Scooba
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Cost too much.
It cost more to put someone down than it does to house, feed and care for them? No.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:49 pm to OweO
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It cost more to put someone down than it does to house, feed and care for them? No.
I'm pretty sure it costs more to house death row inmates, costs more for their appeals process, and costs a lot of money for the drugs and procedure to put them down.
If they put them in gen. pop. and limited appeals for cases with ridiculous evidence or reliable confessions (see my post above), then they could just shoot them and it would be cheaper.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:50 pm to OweO
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It cost more to put someone down than it does to house, feed and care for them? No.
Yes, it does.
For a good number of reasons.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:56 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Why would anyone trust the gov't to make life and death decisions?
Typically in a criminal trial it's not the government, but rather the jury that makes those decisions.
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Even worse, have you paid attention to your "peers" lately? Why would you want today's clown to decide whether you live or die?
It's the system we live by. I would much rather face the jury, whatever it may be, than face daily life in a society that does not harshly punish capital crimes.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:01 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Security cameras are getting ridiculously clear these days. In cases where they're not, that is evidence, not proof, thus not eligible for my scenario.
So this new policy will hinge on having the unicorn of all surveillance videos, one taken with a crystal clear ID of the perp from the exact right angle to also simultaneously capture the crime being committed? Fair enough, I guess.
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Defense attorneys aren't the client's boss. Sometimes people just come clean. There are lots of prisoners on death row that confessed and believe they deserve death.
Not saying these people don't exist, but I know someone involved in the system and they have never described any of their hundreds of clients this way. What you're describing is essentially assisted suicide which is a whole nother topic.
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That wasn't DNA or fingerprints, the two main items of physical evidence that would be required in my scenario.
There's always context to the physical evidence, which is why the judge, jury, and attorney are there. These people have been wrong before. Physical evidence in itself doesn't assert anything, people do by explaining how it got there, and people can be wrong. Someone can leave fingerprints in a car for a whole lot of reasons beyond killing someone in it. Someone can leave DNA evidence somewhere without it meaning they where there when the crime was committed.
My point here is these "string em up" type stances usually sound good when speaking in generalities, but when you get into real life situations there is always doubt, and to kill someone in the name of justice their really can't be any.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:04 pm to Lutcher Lad
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What's the holdup? How come all the scumbags on Death Row still have a heartbeat after years and years of incarceration? This is a joke!
You take an innocent life and yours' should be taken as well. Prison reform, my arse!
The death penalty should serve as a deterrent, not as an assisted living accommodation.
Because we have to make sure we aren't killing an innocent person. There's a lengthy appeals process.
The death penalty is never going to be a deterrent because people: don't care, don't think they'll be caught, have nothing to lose, have mental problems, etc. No one ever goes "I was going to become a serial killer but then I thought about the death penalty and decided to get a job instead".
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:05 pm to PrivatePublic
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So are some in basic lockup. Guess we better release them all.
Nice straw man. Not killing someone because of the possibility they're innocent is in no way equivocal to releasing people from jail because they might be innocent.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:36 pm to Lutcher Lad
I know it's not largely popular, but I'm completely against housing death row or life sentence inmates. They should all simply die within 24-hours of their verdict.
The number of individuals wrongly found guilty of heinous crimes is negligible. No system is perfect.
Also, save money on the executions. Bullets cost less and do it quicker.
The number of individuals wrongly found guilty of heinous crimes is negligible. No system is perfect.
Also, save money on the executions. Bullets cost less and do it quicker.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:41 pm to Machine
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but since the lot of you are to dense to understand
Ironical.
The Constitution says you have the right to due process. Does it say in there somewhere that due process should go on for decades?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:57 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Why would anyone trust the gov't to make life and death decisions? They can't balance a budget, deliver the mail, pave a road, etc, etc, etc. Even worse, have you paid attention to your "peers" lately? Why would you want today's clown to decide whether you live or die
For one, it is very difficult to get a death penalty sentence, especially with DNA evidence, rightfully so. The injustice is how long it takes to carry out the sentence even when the evidence is incontrovertible.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:01 pm to CarRamrod
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idk who the hell you are
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you don't know who the hell i am
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you don't know me
that's true but based on these comments i'm guessing you're something along the lines of this:
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:02 pm to Lutcher Lad
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What's the holdup? How come all the scumbags on Death Row still have a heartbeat after years and years of incarceration? This is a joke!
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