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re: Thousands protest in Cuba, calling for the end of communist dictatorship
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:53 pm to goofball
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:53 pm to goofball
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Louisiana has some of the highest per-pupil spending of any state...yet ranks in the lowest tier in public schools.
Our public school network in general is a "one size fits all" approach that can't handle students outside of the norm. It's a complete failure, and it's particularly bad in larger cities where there is a wide variety of students with a wide variety of needs.
The notion that all the issues with our public schools are caused by a lack of funding and that MORE money will solve everything is a joke. Seeing that argument and watching that concept fail time and time again has influenced my politics in a big way.
The education needs of America are far too broad, diverse, and nuanced to be left up to our public education system. Public education has turned into an institution that serves the people employed by it. It's rarely impactful in areas with any lick of diversity.
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:53 pm to goofball
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I know exactly why it ranks low among people that are pushing for a government solution.
Ah yes when in doubt pull out the ole conspiracy theory
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It works well for me.
Well congrats for you but that's not the same for millions of others.
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Someone in the world has to drive innovation while everyone else is worried about dumbing everything down out of fairness and equality.
What an awful take, America is at the forefront of a lot of medical breakthroughs but it isn't because Billy's medical bills are $50k
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but it's the best way for us.
This reeks of someone who is afraid of change. No America isn't some ultra unique country where a system that works for Europe, Japan, Australia, Korea, and New Zealand won't work here. There needs to be tweaks sure and it won't be perfect no system will but it'll be better than what we have
quote:Probably because their governments are extremely corrupt
You don't see Cuba, Venezuela
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Canada
Not anywhere close to being as rich as us
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:53 pm to dawgfan24348
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There some very good public schools and some very poor public schools lot's of that has to do with how the local area funds the schools. Obviously the worst schools are in the poorest of areas. Wouldn't really be the case with healthcare as we have mounds of evidence from other countries to point to
I'm not sure what this means. Overall, the US spends a far more for far less per pupil than other developed countries. Public schooling is an area where the data shows very clearly that diminishing returns is real with educational spending and there are other road blocks funding doesn't do anything to solve.
As for healthcare, there are zero realistic comparisons to the US in terms of demographics and scale for us to use for single payer healthcare. Any honest discussion of socialized medicine in the US should begin with the realities that it would require the elimination of employer and most private plans, and would result in a big swath of the country immediately getting degraded healthcare. No reason to be shy about it, it is absolutely a redistribution of resources in healthcare whereby many of us would get less and have to go out of pocket to keep the level of care we currently get.
So taking those things into consideration and then arguing for it is at least honest. But ignoring those realities to make the case for some utopian healthcare system by a government that botches almost everything else it does is silly.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most Americans health care would suffer under socialized medicine.
Watching the hoops my parents have to jump through for Medicare alone is completely absurd.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:55 pm to SDVTiger
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I knew this thread would bother you comrade
And I knew you'd pop here with nothing more than calling me communist
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:56 pm to upgrayedd
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Watching the hoops my parents have to jump through for Medicare alone is completely absurd.
Now imagine throwing millions of poor people into the system, and you'll have highly rationed care with fat, lazy people hogging the resources.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:56 pm to Pettifogger
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As for healthcare, there are zero realistic comparisons to the US in terms of demographics and scale for us to use for single payer healthcare.
These people want universal healthcare for everyone, including illegals and, at the same time, want anyone who reaches American soil to be taken care of from cradle to grave. They live in a fricking fantasy world which explains why they all love Twitter so much.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Now imagine throwing millions of poor people into the system, and you'll have highly rationed care with fat, lazy people hogging the resources.
Exactly
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:58 pm to upgrayedd
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These days the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in such places [as] Ecuador, Venezuela, and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal...
Bernie Sanders.
And people actually supported this guy..
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:58 pm to dawgfan24348
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it won't be perfect no system will but it'll be better than what we have
What I have works well. Sell your plan to me and millions like me who have no need for a change.
Moreover, explain why I should I care about the medical care of a family living 2000 miles away that votes differently from me, worships differently from me, looks different than me, shares few core values and tenets in common with me and doesn't pay taxes?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Socialists are embarrassed of what socialism really is, but it bugs the shite out of them when you point out it has never worked.
We can (and do) set up clinics for the poor and offer medicaid to those who can't afford insurance. Maybe we can do more of that in areas that need it.
But there's no effing way you'll ever get me that we should abandon our innovative and world leading healthcare system. I'm not going to burn down the whole house because the front door squeaks.
The push to throw the baby out with the bathwater is absolutely insane.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:59 pm to dawgfan24348
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It's almost like decades of neglect and lack of funding have caused this to occur
I can promise you lack of funding doesn't have shite to do with government entities not being able to do most of what they are funded to do. They beg for more money at every turn, yet spend like they have an unlimited supply, and fight tooth and nail when asked to provide an accounting of what they spend. Funding doesn't have shite to do with it. It is the ridiculous amount of hands in the pot and the increasing number of hoops and obstacles they continue to place in their own way.
Funny that a lack of funding is always the scapegoat, but things almost always get worse as that funding continues to grow.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:00 pm to goofball
I have a good buddy whose Dad immigrated to the US in 1971 from Cuba. That man hates the progressive left more than anyone I know.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:00 pm to upgrayedd
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Watching the hoops my parents have to jump through for Medicare alone is completely absurd.
Those outstanding citizens you see at the College Dr Walmart are hoarding the resources needed for those who truly need them.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:01 pm to Pettifogger
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would result in a big swath of the country immediately getting degraded healthcare.
Love how this keeps getting repated by the right with literally no evidence
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would require the elimination of employer and most private plans,
Yeah M4A doesn't have a public option, people are used to paying insurance companies to cover some of the costs for some of the doctors they can't comprehend that there might be a better way
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have to go out of pocket to keep the level of care we currently get.
In other countries people hardly pay out pocket and even when they do it isn't much. Here we pay insane amounts to the insurance companies and still have to insane out pocket fees. And that is just if you have insurance. This is an argument people on the pro insurance side don't seem to want to have. A ton of people don't have insurance either because they don't have a job or their current job does not offer a plan.
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some utopian healthcare system
And here we are again, never said it was perfect
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:02 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Funny that a lack of funding is always the scapegoat, but things almost always get worse as that funding continues to grow.
anyone that has ever worked in the DoD sector will be some of the first to tell you how good America is at taking revenue and lighting it on fire
butts in seats contracts with people playing Minesweeper is not uncommon and manufacturing inventory just to ensure the funding is there the next year just for that inventory to get warehoused
when you don't have any real incentive to act efficiently, you don't act efficiently
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:02 pm to dawgfan24348
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Love how this keeps getting repated by the right with literally no evidence
You don't understand simple economics.
1) How does the Feds save money on healthcare?
2) What does the Feds do well that cause you would prefer they handle your health?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:02 pm to upgrayedd
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They live in a fricking fantasy world which explains why they all love Twitter so much.
It literally works in various other countries it's astonishing how yall continue to ignore this
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
These are the same people that the government needs to provide everything to sustain them and think that when the government takes over they'll all be able run down to the local government version of whole foods to get their free pineapple kombucha.
They all conveniently ignore the bare shelves in the grocery stores of their beloved Cuba where the only thing left in the store are the items that no one can afford like soap.
They all conveniently ignore the bare shelves in the grocery stores of their beloved Cuba where the only thing left in the store are the items that no one can afford like soap.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:03 pm to dawgfan24348
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dawgfan24348
Somebody is triggered.
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