re: Thoughts on people who wear Che Guevara shirts

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Please, you're nothing more than a leftist political hack who cannot separate communist propaganda from actual history.

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Tea party much?

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Here are some excerpts to give you a good idea who this monster really was....

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In January 1957, as his diary from the Sierra Maestra indicates, Guevara shot Eutimio Guerra because he suspected him of passing on information: “I ended the problem with a .32 caliber pistol, in the right side of his brain.... His belongings were now mine.” Later he shot Aristidio, a peasant who expressed the desire to leave whenever the rebels moved on. While he wondered whether this particular victim “was really guilty enough to deserve death,” he had no qualms about ordering the death of Echevarría, a brother of one of his comrades, because of unspecified crimes: “He had to pay the price.” At other times he would simulate executions without carrying them out, as a method of psychological torture.


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there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge. Nor did Fidel, whom I visited. I became so traumatized that at the end of May 1959 I was ordered to leave the parish of Casa Blanca, where La Cabaña was located and where I had held Mass for three years. I went to Mexico for treatment. The day I left, Che told me we had both tried to bring one another to each other’s side and had failed. His last words were: “When we take our masks off, we will be enemies.”


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In his book Che Guevara: A Biography, Daniel James writes that Che himself admitted to ordering "several thousand" executions during the first year of the Castro regime. Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban-American CIA operative who helped track him down in Bolivia and was the last person to question him, says that Che during his final talk, admitted to "a couple thousand" executions. But he shrugged them off as all being of "imperialist spies and CIA agents."


And on top of being a murderer, he also played a big role in driving Cuba into the ground.....

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In 1960 Castro appointed Che as Cuba's "Minister of Economics." Within months the Cuban peso, a currency historically equal to the U.S. dollar and fully backed by Cuba's gold reserves, was practically worthless. The following year Castro appointed Che as Cuba's “Minister of Industries.” Within a year a nation that previously had higher per capita income than Austria and Japan, a huge influx of immigrants and the 3rd highest protein consumption in the hemisphere was rationing food, closing factories, and hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of its most productive citizens from every sector of its society, all who were grateful to leave with only the clothes on their back.

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The very fact that you ask a question likes this lets me know that you know very little of the history of the times and regions in question.

Guevara was a freedom fighter. That can be spun in either direction. But the fact remains that he tried to help liberate several countries in the Americas from brutal, thug, murdering, torturing dictators set up by the US CIA and other private capitalist corporations. He tried to return rule of these countries back to the people...in the name of justice.

As I said earlier, Guevara was on the losing side and history usually isn't kind when this happens. When he died, many, many people looked to him as a hero. Later, attacks on his personality began to pop up.

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Let's see, one person posts a bunch of facts anchored by sources and you post this load of shite that is 100% regurgitated leftist boiler plate language with absolutely no sources. I'd say this debate is over.

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I'd say this debate is over.

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The debate has been over for a while. At this point it is just a pissing contest

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Thank god he got a bullet put in his head, but not before he pleaded for his life like a do

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umm...Not to back Che here, but he was 1. Shot in the chest, and 2. his final words were "Shoot me, you coward, you are only killing a man"

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You 12 year olds are so thoroughly brainwashed that you come across as funny. So, you are trying to substitute the word "imperialism" in place of "capitalism" so that you can feel better about yourself and not see or feel the guilt from the capitalist abuses that have taken place over the years. Go hide behind your mommies skirts...she will tell you everything is ok and will kiss it and make it better for you.

Did you think you were going to get an argument on the merits of capitalism vs socialism? No, not from me. But don't be such a dipshit by hiding your head in the sand and ignoring the reality that Guevara lived in and fought against.

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Derp

Someone is confusing big government for capitalism.

We've never lived under a capitalist system, not in any of our lifetimes. That term is thrown about as loosely as communism.

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My answers are the mainstream answers you would get from your college history class as was taught to me. Not some one-sided ridiculous history revisionist propaganda.

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You poor fool. What you fail to realize is that just because some tweed coat wearing ex-60's hippy stands behind a podium in a college classroom does not change the fact they are giving you nothing more than revised version of history to fit their leftist political worldview.

The only way you will ever gain a true understanding of history is to do your own independent research instead of relying one flawed source. Read from sources both right & left, always look for original first hand accounts and ways to verify and cross-check everything. And above all else, have enough common sense to realize that 99% of all history is written with a political slant to it. To be a true student of history you've got to be able to see through these slants, both right & left, and dig your way down to the truth.

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I mean, Hitler is still revered by some, does that mean he was a swell guy?

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I don't view him as one but like you said others do. I'm not in the business of telling people who to idolize.

I do believe however that you can look at individuals throughout history and note the very good and very bad things they did. You can take their good views and help formulate your own ideology, while leaving their very bad. You don't necessarily have to be tied to one sides set of ideas.

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silly

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I think it's funny that two grown men have used the word silly this many times in a short span

salamander is an elaborate troll and yall have all taken his bait