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re: Thoughts on Abraham Lincoln?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:19 pm to EphesianArmor
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:19 pm to EphesianArmor
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Why would "Christians" of a "Christian nation have acted so unmercifully and barbarian?
Ask Curtis LeMay and Jimmy Doolittle. They did far worse.
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:45 pm to AU86
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Tyrant pos. What was the last thing that entered Lincoln's mind at Ford's Theatre?
“I won the war and there’s nothing people of wal mart can do about it ”
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 4/27/25 at 4:46 pm to UFFan
Don’t know, never met him. And I don’t believe most of what is in history books.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 4:48 pm to Harry Boutte
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Abolition was a central plank in the Republican platform of 1862. That's why the southern states seceded when the Republicans won. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to take office before they were seceding.
Yet Lincoln supported the Corwin Amendment allowing slavery to exist into perpetuity in the South.
You can't have it both ways
Posted on 4/27/25 at 4:49 pm to UFFan
War criminal
Posted on 4/27/25 at 4:56 pm to Harry Boutte
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The South was truly a tyranny
Is this what they teach in schools nowadays?
Listen to me closely, the War between the States was a war between two racist Nations. I don't have to pretend the South were the good guys to say the Yankees were pieces of shite.
The battle was over money and power. Not some altruistic virtue held by an extreme minority.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 5:38 pm to Harry Boutte
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The South was truly a tyranny.
A system of government that was so paranoid about the power of the central government that independent states refused to cooperate with military conscription in the middle of a war for its very existence is a tyranny?
Do you even stop and think about the drivel you spew?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:00 pm to Harry Boutte
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"States rights"
No such thing. Try finding it in the Constitution.
I'm going to refrain from anything derogatory, but States Rights is the epitome of the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
If your post was serious, I would suggest you educate yourself more on the matter. If your post was in jest, or you were making a joke that I didn't see, then disregard.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:06 pm to Cuz413
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I don't have to pretend the South were the good guys
Then stop.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:19 pm to SoFla Tideroller
States in the Confederacy were prohibited by their constitution from abolishing slavery. How is that in any way expanding on so-called "states' rights"? It's not, it's further restricting them.
But I was referring more to individual, civil rights. They were practically non-existent in the South - unless you were upper class. "Extra-judicial hangings" were not uncommon, and not just blacks. If you weren't with the program, you had no rights to free speech as we know it today.
From 1827 to 1859 the speaker of the house was from a slave state except for about 2.5 years. Those days were over in 1860. So they decided to cut and run. The writing was on the wall, get with the times, or get fricked. They chose to get fricked. frick 'em.
But I was referring more to individual, civil rights. They were practically non-existent in the South - unless you were upper class. "Extra-judicial hangings" were not uncommon, and not just blacks. If you weren't with the program, you had no rights to free speech as we know it today.
From 1827 to 1859 the speaker of the house was from a slave state except for about 2.5 years. Those days were over in 1860. So they decided to cut and run. The writing was on the wall, get with the times, or get fricked. They chose to get fricked. frick 'em.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:22 pm to PrezCock
Jesus, man, look at your own post:
Rights are for the people, governments only have powers derived from, and limited by the people.
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Rights are for the people, governments only have powers derived from, and limited by the people.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:59 am to Harry Boutte
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If you weren't with the program, you had no rights to free speech as we know it today.
Lincoln imprisoned State officials and news reporters via suspension of habeas corpus. He used the military to end the conscription riots in NY (that's a good one for you to look up, you can read about how those virtuous Northerners lynched Black people and burned the homes of rich families)
I don't know more about the Antebellum North than the South. What i do know is people like you believe only what history you have been fed your whole life to prop up a narrative to reinforce the need for an overarching, all powerful central government.
The history of the War for Southern Independence and Abraham Lincoln have been purposefully dumbed down to a third grade understanding to believe there was a dialectical choice between the altruistic North and the evil South. That is no where close to what it was.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:52 am to udtiger
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Absolutely demolished the Constitution
2025 laughs at this
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:10 am to Cuz413
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altruistic North and the evil South
One one will ever convince me that 1860 northerners were so concerned about the rights of Africans that they sent their sons to fricking Mississippi to die on a bloody field.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:36 am to UFFan
The man knew how to wear a hat.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:45 am to Woolfpack
Solid aircraft carrier.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:46 am to Camp Randall
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2025 laughs at this
provide us some examples.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:13 am to Harry Boutte
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Why would "Christians" of a "Christian nation have acted so unmercifully and barbarian?
Not close. Reason?
We were at war with the Japanese. They were not our Countrymen, were they?
Yet as horrendous as the acts of LeMay and Doolittle were ("just following orders"), the mass wanton destruction and murder OF fellow Christian Americans BY a fellow "American", psychopathic General Sherman and his merciless, barbarous overlords was far far worse.
Why would "Christians" of a "Christian nation have acted so unmercifully and barbarian?
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Ask Curtis LeMay and Jimmy Doolittle. They did far worse.
Not close. Reason?
We were at war with the Japanese. They were not our Countrymen, were they?
Yet as horrendous as the acts of LeMay and Doolittle were ("just following orders"), the mass wanton destruction and murder OF fellow Christian Americans BY a fellow "American", psychopathic General Sherman and his merciless, barbarous overlords was far far worse.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:14 am to Cuz413
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I don't know more about the Antebellum North than the South. What i do know is people like you believe only what history you have been fed your whole life to prop up a narrative to reinforce the need for an overarching, all powerful central government.
+100
Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:25 am to Harry Boutte
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governments only have powers derived from, and limited by the people.
Do you really believe this "by the People FOR the People" relationship and system has been has ever been respected by those in positions in power in America?
It was one thing for Jefferson, Madison etal to write a Constitution and Bill of Rights, and another thing for a govt and judiciary to actually abide by them. (Lincoln and his associates and overlords selectively and blatantly ignored and negated as they chose -- as would be the ongoing case until 2025.)
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