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re: This is what gets one into Stanford these days
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:04 am to SabiDojo
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:04 am to SabiDojo
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Have you seen the average test score for Stanford applicants?
I'm a data guy.
If all test scores and grades are equal, I don't give a frick if he got in over other kids. Essays are fricking stupid. You're 17, not some enlightened existentialist philosopher.
Its when people like this have WORSE test scores and grades and get in, that I start to get really pissed off.
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:05 am to SabiDojo
I know personally what some of my cardinal friends scored and they exceeded the average.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:05 am to TheCaterpillar
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we don't know if this kid didn't have perfect test scores and grades as well.
Just saying.
That's true. Point taken.
I'd hope that admin that saw that bullshite mockery of an "essay" would reject the application on that alone. Making a joke of the process and your school if that's acceptable, IDGAF what you're test scores are.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:07 am to Upperdecker
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frick affirmative action
Probably didn't help this kid one bit (and probably would hurt him normally). Arab and South Asian kids are - like East Asian kids - usually hurt by affirmative action.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:08 am to TheCaterpillar
There are always going to be some kids with lesser scores, some in the middle and some higher than the mean.
What happen to a well rounded applicant?
Is a well rounded kid with a 3.7 GPA and 32 ACT, multiple extracurriculars and leadership roles not better than a 4.0 GPA and a 36 ACT that has no extracurriculars, few leadership roles and a less than stellar essay?
I'm taking the first kid 10 times out of 10.
What happen to a well rounded applicant?
Is a well rounded kid with a 3.7 GPA and 32 ACT, multiple extracurriculars and leadership roles not better than a 4.0 GPA and a 36 ACT that has no extracurriculars, few leadership roles and a less than stellar essay?
I'm taking the first kid 10 times out of 10.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:08 am to TbirdSpur2010
My guess is that he is a competitive applicant that already got into the school he wanted so he kind of ran with it at Stanford
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:09 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Probably didn't help this kid one bit (and probably would hurt him normally). Arab and South Asian kids are - like East Asian kids - usually hurt by affirmative action.
They are hurt when adcoms accept more white students over them, if we are strictly going off numbers
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:09 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Probably didn't help this kid one bit (and probably would hurt him normally). Arab and South Asian kids are - like East Asian kids - usually hurt by affirmative action.
Interesting. Why is this? Schools don't have a quota for these? Or the quota is easily filled?
Isn't Native American the best with black being a close second? I feel like I've heard that before.
If was applying to school these days I'd probably say I was an transgender asexual with a passion for water painting and native american history.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:10 am to TheCaterpillar
At places like Stanford lots of the first acceptance applicants have really high scores. The essays help set them apart.
Also, certain groups tend to score higher in certain areas. Indians and Chinese in math, whites in reading/writing. So, if you have an Indian with a high reading/writing score, they are more likely to get in over another Indian who may have scored higher in math and low on reading.
I agree with SS in that USUALLY seeing an applicant's full profile is needed in order to make a determination of whether he deserved to get accepted. However, any essay like he wrote, regardless of where you're applying, needs to result in the application to be thrown into the garbage.
Also, certain groups tend to score higher in certain areas. Indians and Chinese in math, whites in reading/writing. So, if you have an Indian with a high reading/writing score, they are more likely to get in over another Indian who may have scored higher in math and low on reading.
I agree with SS in that USUALLY seeing an applicant's full profile is needed in order to make a determination of whether he deserved to get accepted. However, any essay like he wrote, regardless of where you're applying, needs to result in the application to be thrown into the garbage.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:10 am to arseinclarse
Not anyone.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:11 am to StrongSafety
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There are always going to be some kids with lesser scores, some in the middle and some higher than the mean.
What happen to a well rounded applicant?
Is a well rounded kid with a 3.7 GPA and 32 ACT, multiple extracurriculars and leadership roles not better than a 4.0 GPA and a 36 ACT that has no extracurriculars, few leadership roles and a less than stellar essay?
I'm taking the first kid 10 times out of 10.
Depends if you're Stanford or MIT I guess.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:11 am to StrongSafety
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Point being, prehaps yall should get out of you bubble. There are minorities that are smarter than you think and will continue to be so. It's not something magical or mysterious thing
Not sure who you're arguing with.
The sentiment in this thread has pretty much been that the kid was smart enough to figure out he didn't need a legit essay to get admitted.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:13 am to TheCaterpillar
Maybe, depends on if you want a smart worker or leaders.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:13 am to nvasil1
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The sentiment in this thread has pretty much been that the kid was smart enough to figure out he didn't need a legit essay to get admitted.
This. This is on Stanford for allowing it.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:13 am to TheCaterpillar
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Interesting. Why is this? Schools don't have a quota for these? Or the quota is easily filled?
It's not a strict quota, but Arab and South Asian kids are more academically competitive than every other ethnic group in America - right up there with East Asian kids and even more so in recent years.
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Isn't Native American the best with black being a close second? I feel like I've heard that before.
That sounds about right. Native American then African-American then Hispanic then Caucasian then East Asian then South Asian/Arab.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:14 am to AbuTheMonkey
Schools definitely have quotas. especially at the CA schools
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:17 am to AbuTheMonkey
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South Asian/Arab.
My Indian friends cringe at being associated with Arabs.
Do you really think South Asians are at the bottom of the totem pole? My Indian boss asked me for help for getting his son into an Ivy League school (his son is ten) because my boss doesn't understand the education system yet. It was a weird question but I said I would help.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:19 am to StrongSafety
quote:
Is a well rounded kid with a 3.7 GPA and 32 ACT, multiple extracurriculars and leadership roles not better than a 4.0 GPA and a 36 ACT that has no extracurriculars, few leadership roles and a less than stellar essay?
I'm taking the first kid 10 times out of 10.
These are objective data points.
-Football team
-Class President
-Debate Team
etc.
Essays are subjective.
I also think it should be illegal to even consider race when applying for undergrad colleges. It should show the HS, the grades, the test scores, reference letters, and list all activities.
If a school wants to interview you, it should be well after they've made several cuts and they're just filling in the last spots IMO.
ETA:
I guess illegal is the wrong word, but rather strongly encouraged via federal incentives.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:19 am to StrongSafety
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Schools definitely have quotas. especially at the CA schools
Strict quotas are technically illegal, but schools can use ethnicity as a criterion in filling out a class - in practice, it tends not to be that different, but they aren't saying "We want X% of the class to be African-American".
They also do the same for things like former military, immigrants, etc.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:21 am to crazy4lsu
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My Indian friends cringe at being associated with Arabs.
Do you really think South Asians are at the bottom of the totem pole? My Indian boss asked me for help for getting his son into an Ivy League school (his son is ten) because my boss doesn't understand the education system yet. It was a weird question but I said I would help.
They are way, way over-represented at elite universities in the United States, and even then, the pool is super-competitive. I bet my MBA class was a fifth South Asian - that ethnic group is only about 1% of the United States.
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