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re: This is a direct result of the Pussification of America

Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:42 pm to
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:42 pm to
I respect the effort. He gets an upvote. He gets through to Hollywood dawg.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10307 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:48 pm to
I don’t buy the no underlying issues part for a second. Every person in LA under 70 who died from it all had, you guessed it, underlying conditions.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:57 pm to
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WaydownSouth


This alpha male needs to go down to his local hospital and volunteer to help COVID patients without a mask.
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:59 pm to
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you guessed it, underlying conditions.

This really needs to be defined to have any kind of significant meaning.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9296 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:35 pm to
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Yeah it’s definitely those Americans doing this and not the doctors, epidemiologists and virologists that study this their entire careers.

I don’t doubt the knowledge or intentions of those doctors, epidemiologists, or virologists. I believe that the measures being taken will, in fact, reduce the impact to hospitals and reduce the death toll of this virus in the long term. You’re right, they’ve been studying this their entire careers.

But you know what they haven’t been studying? Economics. Every year, 30,000-40,000 people are killed in car accidents in the US. An additional 2+ million are seriously injured or permanently disabled. But if the Institute of Transportation Engineers suggested measures similar to those being taken now, we would reject them outright.

For everyone saying “it’s just a temporary setback”... wake up. In south Louisiana alone, tens of thousands will be out of work in the construction business within the next 2 weeks. That’s in addition to thousands of service industry workers who have already been put out of work. And that’s just the direct impact of precautionary measures. What happens when low demand starts its own vicious cycle?

Think about the cost of nationwide loss of productivity plus the cost of stimulus packages that will be implemented to mitigate the fallout. What if we dedicated the same resources to shoring up the healthcare industry? It amazes me that a world war can bring the country out of a depression, while lack of healthcare resources can send us into one.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36403 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:41 pm to
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Every year, 30,000-40,000 people are killed in car accidents in the US.


do those accidents happen in a highly contagious wave that inundates hospitals over their capacity?

i understand the economic concerns, as should everyone. but these analogies don't hold water. The issue here isn't mortality rates, it's the infectiousness of this thing thats overburdening our hospitals and doctors well beyond what manageable rates.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 10:43 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9296 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:43 pm to
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do those accidents happen in a highly contagious wave that inundates hospitals over their capacity?

Did you bother to read the rest of my post?

Also, why does this matter when talking about the TOTAL death toll?

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i understand the economic concerns, as should everyone. but these analogies don't hold water. The issue here isn't mortality rates, it's the infectiousness of this thing thats overburdening our hospitals and doctors well beyond what manageable rates.

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Think about the cost of nationwide loss of productivity plus the cost of stimulus packages that will be implemented to mitigate the fallout. What if we dedicated the same resources to shoring up the healthcare industry? It amazes me that a world war can bring the country out of a depression, while lack of healthcare resources can send us into one.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 10:46 pm
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36403 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:52 pm to
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Think about the cost of nationwide loss of productivity plus the cost of stimulus packages that will be implemented to mitigate the fallout. What if we dedicated the same resources to shoring up the healthcare industry? It amazes me that a world war can bring the country out of a depression, while lack of healthcare resources can send us into one.


I agree. Honestly if there's one lesson we get out of this it should be bring manufacturing back to America. The dependency on China for fricking everything the hospitals need has crippled us. If we had the number of ventilators, masks, etc we needed for an endemic to begin with we could have greatly mitigated the situation. I absolutely agree about "shoring up the health care industry" in that sense. Clearly we need to expand the capacities of our facilities too.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 10:54 pm
Posted by Chieeefs
Member since Aug 2019
210 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:56 pm to
This is a direct result of having no plans/protocols in place for something like this.

This is the direct result of not taking others countries seriously, being naive, and not shutting down our fricking borders & banning international travel to the United States.

All we had to do was pay attention to the reports coming out of the other countries in the world and stop people from entering our country. Yea...that probably would've stirred up some shite too and affected the global market....but it would be much better than the shite storm we are dealing with now.

WE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO PREVENT THIS
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42179 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:57 pm to
I’m sure President Trump is taking all of these measures and risking his greatest political tool (a good economy) because this virus is nothing.
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70024 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:02 pm to
I have watched some CNN this weekend and have seen zero of this. Dude the guy who reports to the President who doesn’t give a shite about politics says this is the best thing to do.

Also go live life. Yeah we can’t got to restaurants or bars but shite I walked 3 miles and played 18 holes of golf.

It sucks what’s happening to the economy but we are Americans and will bounce back.
Posted by Chieeefs
Member since Aug 2019
210 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:06 pm to
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You mean the one that killed 50 million people and was a million times worse than this one?


Compare cases 3 months in with 1918 Spanish Flu vs Covid-19 which has been around for 3 months and the numbers are very similar.

You can't compare flu numbers over a 1-2 year span vs a virus that has been in the world for only a few months. That's like comparing the stats of 2 football players...and you're comparing one athlete's stats for the season vs another athlete's stats over a 1 month period.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7632 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:07 pm to
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Also, why does this matter when talking about the TOTAL death toll?



Because you are looking at it in a vacuum. Over burdened hospitals doesnt just equal more covid-19 deaths. It equals an uptick in all preventable deaths based on the fact the hospitals don't have the capacity to save them.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47494 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:10 pm to
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The OT must have zero grandparents or parents over the age of 60.

this just in. Old people are old
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
1921 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:18 pm to
I’m with you bud. H1N1 infected 109,000 Americans a day after its vicious 580 day sweep through America. Unfortunately the Dems were in office and social media was not as advanced back then. Fast forward a decade the Dems and their media partners are viciously pressing this even with a low fatality rate. However, give it two more weeks when peoples cash runs out due to no income you May see rampant violence start fomenting. Once that occurs the government may be forced to reopen society.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:25 pm to
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They created rock n roll, you idiot.
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Doesn't mean they can't be scared of the very thing they created.

Example: Robert Oppenheimer

You fricking idiot

You're comparing rock and roll to nuclear weapons?

You are absolutely the stupidest SOB to ever grace this forum. I know you're only 13 or 14 years old, but you're really really stupid.
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
6689 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:30 pm to
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This is a direct result of the Pussification of America


Actually I think it was the direct result of someone eating a bat.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26234 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:33 pm to
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We’ve shut down the country over a virus that has a 97-99% survival rate.


And that’s the survival rate of merely people that actually get infected.

99.9% of all people won’t die from COVID-19.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 11:34 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48375 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:34 pm to
Upvoted a Waydown post
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40427 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:41 pm to
Terrible analogy. People travel on airplanes constantly. If there was a 3% chance you would die taking a plane, it would be almost a statistical certainty you would die if you took 50 trips. You’re not going to get the virus 50 times.
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