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Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:46 am to
Posted by TiGeRTeRRoR
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:46 am to
Why are cases in Italy still growing despite national lockdown?

Surely the infected aren’t in contact with non-carriers?
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:47 am to
quote:

Why are cases in Italy still growing despite national lockdown?

Surely the infected aren’t in contact with non-carriers?




It could be folks that had it that are just being tested.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56622 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:47 am to
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because so many people are treating this like no big deal.



Bull crap!!!
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:48 am to
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
51639 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:49 am to
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How you feeling today?

Much better besides the cough but that’s getting better too. Supposed to get the results tomorrow. I really don’t think it’s going to be positive.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66654 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:50 am to
Last day of on call and I'll be one of these idiots.
Posted by TiGeRTeRRoR
Member since Nov 2003
19887 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:53 am to
You’ll see in 2 days. Italy cases are still accelerating daily despite having been locked down for 13 days already.

99.5% of cases show symptoms in 14 days or less.

The most likely explanation is despite stricter orders than in the US, Italians are still spreading it going on walks or going to stores and pharmacies.

The biggest positive is relative to growth of confirmed cases, the US’ death rate has not grown at a similar rate to Italy’s. We can likely expect to see a spike when places like NYC start hitting capacity for ventilators, but if other areas can keep it somewhat contained, it should minimize that risk.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 9:59 am
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5582 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:57 am to
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With the country essentially ahut down

It’s not shut down.
quote:

how can April be worse than March and May worse than April

See the first answer.
Your ups driver could cough on your delivery package
Restaurant workers can sneeze on you food packaging.
Grocery stores are open and we have no guarantee the employees and other shoppers aren’t shedding virus

With that said, those things are essential and a risk everyone has to take to get supplies. The truth is this will spread. However the goal isnt to stop it at the point. The goal is to slow it down to a manageable level.
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:01 am to
quote:

You’ll see in 2 days. Italy cases are still accelerating daily despite having been locked down for 13 days already.

99.5% of cases show symptoms in 14 days or less.

The most likely explanation is despite stricter orders than in the US, Italians are still spreading it going on walks or going to stores and pharmacies.




So many stories and reports lack the information needed to analyze.

For the info to be useful you would need a chart of how many tests were given per day and the lag of test results. If tests there are taking days to get back that could mean these were still from cases contracted before the lockdown. Also, Italians are similar to Chinese in the number who live multi generationally so spread within households where one asymptomatic carrier could spread it to many people in quarantine in a home. There sadly is much we will not learn until after this is over.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8125457/Italys-coronavirus-crisis-worsened-multi-generational-homes.html
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 10:02 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:03 am to
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Marshall law

martial
Posted by TiGeRTeRRoR
Member since Nov 2003
19887 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:05 am to
True, but also the majority of states in the US are barely testing or are only testing severe cases.

Georgia’s governor a few days ago clarified a test would only be given with 1) severe symptoms AND 2) underlying condition. It’s also taking 4-6 days for results typically.

I think the multi-generational homes absolutely impacted the death rates, but aside from NY, states are still way behind on testing, which means we can’t get ahead of containing it.
Posted by Ingloriousbastard
Member since May 2015
917 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:09 am to
Most places are shut down if you think about it (whether it be by government requiring them to or people not frequenting the place out of fear), and most people are staying home. Just stop.

Grocery stores, gas stations, delivery services, and take out food cannot and should not close down.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 10:12 am
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9742 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:51 am to

In Italy, for example, the increase in new cases dropped from around 25% per day to around 10% more per day beginning around 10 days after they did the more stringent lock down.

Or course, the daily rises are now higher but because they are, for example 10% of 45000 instead of 25% of 1000.

That's why it's still "getting worse".

In NYC, the increase has been around 35% per day and it's still only been around 6 days since most people began any type of preventative measures.





Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26817 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:56 am to
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It seems like the worst of it will be this coming week


We just had 2 days of decline in number of deaths and crazy increase of cases now that they have tested more and more. Death % dropping rapidly.

It is not getting worse...it is getting more real and closer to any other virus that comes and goes
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22610 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:08 am to
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most people are staying home. Just stop.


Just wait until all those spring breakers head back to their hometowns and spread it there.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83170 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Lowes apparently

drove by yesterday and it was slammed


Yep. And lots of older ladies making up reasons to visit the store every single day.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 11:12 am
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19990 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:11 am to
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Because a lot of places aren’t completely shut down yet and a lot of people aren’t staying home.




Do you really think it's realistic to do that? If so, you're a moron.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22610 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:12 am to
Of course not, but it’s a pretty simple answer as to why things have still not bottomed out, which was the OP’s question.
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
36331 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:17 am to
If the measures taken have been effective the results should start being noticeable by the middle of the upcoming week I would think.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9742 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:27 am to
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If the measures taken have been effective the results should start being noticeable by the middle of the upcoming week I would think.



Yeah, if it's anything like Italy the numbers in NY should begin to change from this Thursday through Saturday.

In NYC, it's now been about 6 days of any kind of serious measures. (I have a shop here in Brooklyn and my shop along with just about everything else was open until last Monday).

In Italy, it seems the daily increase of new cases dropped from apprx 25% to 10% around 10-12 days after their more serious "lock down" efforts.



However, the expected "successful" changes will be totals that only increase from, just for example, 30k to 33k instead of 30k to 40k per day.


This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 12:04 pm
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