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re: There's no tired like end of the year tired, Teacher "E Card"
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:05 pm to fouldeliverer
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:05 pm to fouldeliverer
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And here's where the OT complains more about teachers than teachers actually complain themselves.
Well, yes, but don't we do that about everything?
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:07 pm to Hazelnut
Oh, gd, I'm usually better about that.
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:08 pm to SmokeyB
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But also the fact that teaching is probably the most stressful job out there.
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What in the actual frick are you talking about?
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:13 pm to poochie
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What in the actual frick are you talking about?
I stand by it. In other positions, you have control over your situation. In public education, you have none. The only control you have is the ability to throw you hands up and walk out.
Not having control of your situation is a very stressful thing. Now there are obvious exceptions, particularly positions where you put your life on the line. But some could say teachers do that as well with some of the crazy arse people they deal with.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:16 pm to SmokeyB
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teaching is probably the most stressful job out there.
I'm sure. I just cannot, for the life of me, even begin to think of a job that would come anywhere close to being as stressful as that of a teacher. Not one single job. Not even one. There are none.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:16 pm to poochie
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What in the actual frick are you talking about?
Something that you don't know one fricking thing about, obviously.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:16 pm to HeadBusta4LSU
I'm near the end of my first year. It's not a breeze like some of you think, but it's not hell either.
We work a lot more than most think. Sunday is a work day. If you're a first year teacher two hours of prep is required nightly or sometimes I'll do one hour at night and leave the house at 5:30 to do the rest at school. It's somewhat hectic.
120 fifteen year olds will get on your nerves. Your last one. daily. They're conniving little bastards for the most part...always trying to get out of class/come in your class, it never ends.
Trying to keep track of who hasn't taken what test and turned in assignments. Well, that's a joke with the absences I have.
I'm also doing summer school in June. So I've realistically got four weeks off. Most have nine. Three months off is inaccurate.
Administrative duties and paperwork...it's 30% of my job. If I could just teach that would be great.
Second year will be easier since I will re use most of the material that I created during the first.
All of that for 39k...I don't need more, but it would be justified. Also, the Masters pay scale is an absolute joke that makes me want to move.
We work a lot more than most think. Sunday is a work day. If you're a first year teacher two hours of prep is required nightly or sometimes I'll do one hour at night and leave the house at 5:30 to do the rest at school. It's somewhat hectic.
120 fifteen year olds will get on your nerves. Your last one. daily. They're conniving little bastards for the most part...always trying to get out of class/come in your class, it never ends.
Trying to keep track of who hasn't taken what test and turned in assignments. Well, that's a joke with the absences I have.
I'm also doing summer school in June. So I've realistically got four weeks off. Most have nine. Three months off is inaccurate.
Administrative duties and paperwork...it's 30% of my job. If I could just teach that would be great.
Second year will be easier since I will re use most of the material that I created during the first.
All of that for 39k...I don't need more, but it would be justified. Also, the Masters pay scale is an absolute joke that makes me want to move.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:24 pm to SmokeyB
Look, I appreciate what teachers do. But give me a break.
More stressful than a doctor where one wrong cut and people die? All day every day.
Than a lawyer where If you mess up, people's lives could be ruined?
Corporate position where people are hounding you 24/7?
Being your own boss where if you mess up, you could lose everything in an instant and can't provide for your family?
Police? Fire?
Get over yourselves, teachers....
More stressful than a doctor where one wrong cut and people die? All day every day.
Than a lawyer where If you mess up, people's lives could be ruined?
Corporate position where people are hounding you 24/7?
Being your own boss where if you mess up, you could lose everything in an instant and can't provide for your family?
Police? Fire?
Get over yourselves, teachers....
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:25 pm to SmokeyB
I actually know of very few jobs where you have control of what's going on. Unless you own your own business, you are almost always answering to someone else and having to dance around pre-set work parameters that are constantly changing due to social and litiginous pressures from the outside. That's life, my friend, life. Without a 3 month break. And most of us just deal with it during the day, go home, forget about it for a while, and do it again tomorrow. A job with no control? How novel.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:25 pm to SmokeyB
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In other positions, you have control over your situation. In public education, you have none
Umm...in pretty much every profession I can imagine you have control over yourself and your duties, but you are still interacting with either the public, shareholders, your customers, other businesses, etc. You act like every job besides teaching consists of "Ok I'll go to work today, accomplish tasks A and B, then I'm done!"
Pretty much every job out there has elements that affect you directly that are beyond your control. With teaching, the biggest element of "non-control" you have is how your students react. What are some worst case scenarios? They disobey you. They don't turn in their homework. They get in a fight with another kid. Ok...what are some "non-control" scenarios in other jobs? You don't make a sale so now your paycheck just got cut in half. You lost out on a customer. A company wants to buy your company so you could be out of work in 2 months. Your division isn't generating enough revenue so you're forced to make cutbacks. The judge rules the other way now your client is in prison. You couldn't' help a patient quick enough and they coded on you. Etc etc etc.
I've never been one to say "teaching is easy! No one should complain!" I realize it has hard parts, and I said earlier in the thread it's a job I know for a fact I could not do. I'm not cut out for it. But don't glorify it to be some hard as shite, I have no control, if you only knew what is was like type of situation.
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:26 pm to bayoubengals88
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I'm near the end of my first year. It's not a breeze like some of you think, but it's not hell either.
We work a lot more than most think. Sunday is a work day. If you're a first year teacher two hours of prep is required nightly or sometimes I'll do one hour at night and leave the house at 5:30 to do the rest at school. It's somewhat hectic.
120 fifteen year olds will get on your nerves. Your last one. daily. They're conniving little bastards for the most part...always trying to get out of class/come in your class, it never ends.
Trying to keep track of who hasn't taken what test and turned in assignments. Well, that's a joke with the absences I have.
I'm also doing summer school in June. So I've realistically got four weeks off. Most have nine. Three months off is inaccurate.
Administrative duties and paperwork...it's 30% of my job. If I could just teach that would be great.
Second year will be easier since I will re use most of the material that I created during the first.
All of that for 39k...I don't need more, but it would be justified. Also, the Masters pay scale is an absolute joke that makes me want to move.
The horror.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:44 pm to MightyYat
quote:1) I never said any such thing.
The horror
2) Have you tried it?
I have worked a pipeline in Ohio, compressor stations and refineries in North Dakota, and at least a half dozen refineries and chemical plants in LA and MS. I can compare experiences. Teaching at a good school might be a breeze...a bad school isn't even close to that.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:59 pm to bayoubengals88
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1) I never said any such thing.
2) Have you tried it?
I have worked a pipeline in Ohio, compressor stations and refineries in North Dakota, and at least a half dozen refineries and chemical plants in LA and MS. I can compare experiences. Teaching at a good school might be a breeze...a bad school isn't even close to that.
My family has 7 teachers in it including my wife who was a teacher for 15 years before she moved to administration. It has it's troubles just like every other real job in the world. The difference it you don't hear anyone else bitching about it as much as teachers do. Well, nurses give them a run for their money but that's for another day.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:06 pm to HeadBusta4LSU
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:09 pm to MightyYat
Like the sage on the first page said...women bitch
I'm sure that's why nurses are second on your list.
I'm sure that's why nurses are second on your list.
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:12 pm to gingerkittie
quote:Thanks for your perspective. That's a bit worse than my experiences outside of being threatened.
I celebrated the end of the year because I got thru another year without actually having a student "bust a cap in yo arse" as one threatened to do on occasion.
I celebrated the fact that my car was broken into only 3 times. I had to buy 3 new windshields, yayy! I was reprimanded for not finding "a better place to park, lol! We knew who broke in my car but nothing was done to the culprit. I was told I should pay for it since I had more money than the kids parents did
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:15 pm to gingerkittie
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I taught in New Orleans, inner city, right between BW Cooper projects and the Melpomene projects for many years.
I celebrated the end of the year because I got thru another year without actually having a student "bust a cap in yo arse" as one threatened to do on occasion.
I celebrated the fact that my car was broken into only 3 times. I had to buy 3 new windshields, yayy! I was reprimanded for not finding "a better place to park, lol! We knew who broke in my car but nothing was done to the culprit. I was told I should pay for it since I had more money than the kids parents did.
I celebrated that I had not been assaulted like 5 other teachers at my schools ( one got pushed down a flight of concrete stairs, another had her arm crushed in a door by her students).
Our school had a 0% suspension rate. Principal would never suspend anyone because it would affect our "school score" (schools got ratings based on certain criteria like standardized tests, attendance, student behavior, etc). Students knew they would not be suspended and did as they pleased.
Our school boards response to the rampant violence was to send a lawyer to tell us if we so much as touched a student to defend ourselves that we would be arrested.
We were told if we were attacked by students that we should raise our hands in the air to show we were not touching the students who were attacking us.
NO, I was not one of those teachers who posted those ecards or other end of the year stuff.
It is becoming increasingly common for teachers to be attacked, beaten, or knocked out by students or their parents. Some have even been raped and killed like Colleen Ritzer.
Don't get me wrong, I loved my students and put up with chit because I cared about them. Some of them were such wonderful kids. There was one budding young psychopath I knew would grow up to kill someone one day (and he did murder someone when he was a teen).
Not all teachers have it that bad. I did teach for a while at a private school and it was wonderful. ( I had to quit because I needed emergency major surgery and had a long recovery time).
No offense to anyone here who is annoyed by teachers and the end of the year bs. Just wanted to put in what my experience as a teacher was
That's pretty shitty but you knew it was going to be like that when you signed up to teach at a shitty school in NOLA. That's the way it goes. At least once a week I have to stand in front of a panel and a judge to give my opinion as to why I think a child should or shouldn't be left in their parent's care. I can't tell you how many times over the last 20 years I walked out the courthouse or office to a family that wanted to put a bullet in my head. I knew it could be like that when I signed the contract.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:18 pm to gingerkittie
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I taught in New Orleans, inner city, right between BW Cooper projects and the Melpomene projects for many years.
I celebrated the end of the year because I got thru another year without actually having a student "bust a cap in yo arse" as one threatened to do on occasion.
I celebrated the fact that my car was broken into only 3 times. I had to buy 3 new windshields, yayy! I was reprimanded for not finding "a better place to park, lol! We knew who broke in my car but nothing was done to the culprit. I was told I should pay for it since I had more money than the kids parents did.
I celebrated that I had not been assaulted like 5 other teachers at my schools ( one got pushed down a flight of concrete stairs, another had her arm crushed in a door by her students).
Our school had a 0% suspension rate. Principal would never suspend anyone because it would affect our "school score" (schools got ratings based on certain criteria like standardized tests, attendance, student behavior, etc). Students knew they would not be suspended and did as they pleased.
Our school boards response to the rampant violence was to send a lawyer to tell us if we so much as touched a student to defend ourselves that we would be arrested.
We were told if we were attacked by students that we should raise our hands in the air to show we were not touching the students who were attacking us.
NO, I was not one of those teachers who posted those ecards or other end of the year stuff.
It is becoming increasingly common for teachers to be attacked, beaten, or knocked out by students or their parents. Some have even been raped and killed like Colleen Ritzer.
Don't get me wrong, I loved my students and put up with chit because I cared about them. Some of them were such wonderful kids. There was one budding young psychopath I knew would grow up to kill someone one day (and he did murder someone when he was a teen).
Not all teachers have it that bad. I did teach for a while at a private school and it was wonderful. ( I had to quit because I needed emergency major surgery and had a long recovery time).
No offense to anyone here who is annoyed by teachers and the end of the year bs. Just wanted to put in what my experience as a teacher was.
Well said, so I quoted it all. As I said earlier, being married to a teacher I learned what that job is like. I work 70 hours a week 51 weeks a year, and I would not trade with a teacher in 2015. There is no amount of money that would make me take on that job. It's a different world than when I was a kid, teachers could discipline kids, and administration and most parents would back the teacher up. That is no longer true.
My wife is retiring after 29 years in 3 weeks, and she deserves a crown. I did not think this way until I was married to one and saw what was required. Lots of work, stress and average pay.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:35 pm to MightyYat
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:36 pm to MightyYat
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The difference it you don't hear anyone else bitching about it as much as teachers do. Well, nurses give them a run for their money but that's for another day.
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