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re: There's a recent new study on the use of Ivermectin for Covid

Posted on 8/18/21 at 7:49 am to
Posted by CatholicLSUDude
Member since Aug 2018
895 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 7:49 am to
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Almost all of those studies don’t have a control group


You're going to have to help me here. And I'm serious - I don't know the answer here.

But they have a whole section of RCTs. Every one of them indicates a control group. What am I missing here?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59343 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 7:57 am to
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I have never supported the lockdowns at all. But what does that have to with the vaccine?



"forced vaccine".

I don't see to many people wanting to eliminate the option for people to get the vaccine.
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
8729 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 7:58 am to
They are giving it in my small town In Arkansas and it’s kicking Covids arse.
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
35954 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 7:58 am to
Here are some counter-points to consider. I was excited for the possibility of another tool for the toolbox, but I don't think on the whole that Ivermectin is turning out to be as reliable for covid as people want it to be. This guy lays out the details in a very concise manner.

Medium - Ivermectin Shows No Clear Benefit in the Treatment of Covid-19

Medium - Is Ivermectin for Covid-19 Based on Fraudulent Research?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85096 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 7:59 am to
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I agree that with the 72% but the higher percentages when taken as a Prophylaxis is the real statistic to me. That proves that it does what many have been saying which is this...


Is there any other practical benefits to taking Ivermectin daily, as you would a vitamin?

I wonder what the outcomes are for people that take V-D, V-C, and Zinc daily are?
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34179 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:00 am to
any good studies on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine? I have some coming in the mail today
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
8263 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:01 am to
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don’t have a control group



Someone hasn't actually read the studies.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175628 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:01 am to
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Is there any other practical benefits to taking Ivermectin daily


It's not taken daily after the first week from what I understand. You take it for 3 days for the first week then weekly after that.

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I wonder what the outcomes are for people that take V-D, V-C, and Zinc daily are?



For Covid? I would like to see a study on this as well because all I see is anecdotal information
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
12753 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:05 am to
It helps to cure this


This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 8:10 am
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85096 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:06 am to
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t's not taken daily after the first week from what I understand. You take it for 3 days for the first week then weekly after that.



that would be considered "early treatment", no?

Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
17647 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:07 am to
My grandpa also had the antibody treatment and immediately got better. Yet the media and politicians just shout about the “vaccine”.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175628 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:08 am to
There's conflicting information I suppose but most of what I have read is a weekly dose works as a preventative.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
85096 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:09 am to
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My grandpa also had the antibody treatment and immediately got better.


So did my parents.

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Yet the media and politicians just shout about the “vaccine”.


the antibody treatment is still limited in supply (only available for 55+) and also not fully approved by the FDA
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:10 am to
No real issues with people taking this as a preventative if they want other than you’d be ignoring things we have good data on, but once you get sick, kinda dumb to ignore things we know work in favor of ivermectin to “own the libs”
Posted by macjonesgoat
Member since Feb 2021
898 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:11 am to
medium is a joke of a website. It is known as a social media journalist website, meaning it is a blog website, not anything close to science.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8788 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:12 am to
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Almost all of those studies don’t have a control group
Well that’s just a flat out, unequivocal, bold faced lie...
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Ahmed], 12/2/2020, Double Blind Randomized Controlled
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[Aref], 6/15/2021, Randomized Controlled Trial
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[Babalola], 1/6/2021, Double Blind Randomized Controlled Trial
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[Biber], 2/12/2021, Double Blind Randomized Controlled
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[Bukhari], 1/16/2021, Randomized Controlled Trial
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[Chaccour], 12/7/2020, Double Blind Randomized Controlled Trial
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[Chahla], 3/30/2021, Cluster Randomized Controlled Trial
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Chowdhury], 7/14/2020, Randomized Controlled Trial
That’s just the As through Cs of the studies included in the early treatment portion of the meta analysis (which is the first section), because I’m not taking the time to copy and paste all 67 sources. You can (and should have before commenting on them) look them up yourself.

Of those first three letters, 8 of the studies are randomized controlled while only 3 of the studies are not. Only in the prophylaxis section are there more retrospective/prospective studies than randomized controlled ones. And even still, while randomized controlled studies are obviously preferred, we have enough experience with retrospective and prospective studies to know how to responsibly interpret the results, including accounting for the very elementary critique you are making. They aren’t the gold standard of research, but they aren’t fruity pebble garbage either.


I will never understand why this pandemic has made people speak so confidently about something which they do clearly have so little insight. Checking the sources before making your nonsensical claim would have been exceedingly easy. I can’t fathom why someone would make the claim you did without ever bothering to even check if it were true. Typing your response surely required more time and effort than just checking the sources yourself would have. Be a better critic.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175628 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:12 am to
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kinda dumb to ignore things we know work in favor of ivermectin to “own the libs”


What else has proven to work once infected and I don't think anyone is willing to refuse effective treatment to own the libs.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175628 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:16 am to
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Ingeniero


You know this was a decent discussion everyone from all sides was having and you come in thinking your stereotypes are funny, making a point, and making others look stupid. I think you don't understand they do none of the above and only serve to make you look like the uneducated one not willing to open your mind up.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96490 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:17 am to
just from a comedic standpoint, the joke was terrible. Incredibly poor delivery.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8788 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:18 am to
Eh, that’s a pretty significant mis-characterization of the Sweden example.

If anything, I think Sweden shows us that this isn’t necessarily a devastating disease IF you are a fit, healthy population. But for whatever reason, telling people that they should exercise and lose weight is viewed as bigoted in our wackadoo version of modernity. And unfortunately, it’s leading to more deaths.
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