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re: There should be little sympathy for college graduates struggling to earn a livable wage
Posted on 9/12/24 at 3:54 pm to swamptiger99
Posted on 9/12/24 at 3:54 pm to swamptiger99
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I mean, what is the price of a starter home today? 400k?
Your idea of a starter home and what mine was is quite different. My starter house is still standing and would probably sell for around $135k today. Granted, we had no central heat and air or cable TV. But that was expected when you were just starting out in 1992.
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 3:56 pm to lsufball19
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The price of education is ridiculous and far outpacing inflation. It's not just room and board. It's everything
I agree with you on that, and yet, regardless of how expensive it gets, there isn't a trend to return to the common practices for dealing with college expenses that I laid out above.
Instead everybody just borrows/spends more money and then bitches about it like it's someone else's responsibility.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:00 pm to wackatimesthree
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This sense of entitlement is what I'm talking about. Nobody owes you the opportunity to afford a certain type of house.
who said anyone owed me anything?
There's no entitlement. It's called breaking down fricking math in response to the idiotic arguments being made ITT that owning a basic home isn't more difficult today than in prior generation
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Then you would have stayed in the starter house.
Um, I am staying in my starter home. The issue presented is I wouldn't be able to afford my starter home anymore making significantly more (double) what I was making when I bought it 6 years ago.
The point is going very far over your head
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My parents were 39 and 40 when they could afford to buy their first house.
maybe you should tell your parents it was their fault they didn't work harder
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Yet I never once heard anybody from that generation bitch or whine like today's young people do.
you were a child and/or not born. I wouldn't expect you to have heard those discussions. Generations complaining about economic situations isn't new to this generation you dolt.
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And you want to talk about living frugally? That was the generation that would buy a couch and cover it with plastic so that nobody sat directly on it for the first five years they had it.
Bud, I bought a couch on craig's list in college for $50, duct taped it when it ripped (covered it with a blanket so it didn't look ghetto) and kept it for 15 years before buying a replacement (at a wholesale store marked down 60% of retail). Spare me.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:01 pm to lsupride87
Bull shite. Are you a member of the 20s-30s entitled little bitch class?
You want a 2/3 bedroom 2 bath house or condo in a trendy area with plenty of entertainment options. Restaurants, bars, coffee shops, bakeries. If you can’t afford it inside the heart of a big city you want it to be in a trendy suburb. That is nothing like buying a 3 bedroom, 45 year old ranch house with a carport on a full or 1/2 acre in a more semi-rural smaller town. Those can be had at $190-$250k all over the map if you are willing to live in a small town. Most of you entitled fricks aren’t because it is considered beneath your standard.
You also aren’t accustomed to going on one vacation a year. That is not good enough for your generation. You need those photos to post your social bona fides. And you will spend way more than you can afford to take many vacations and probably run it up on a credit card.
I bet you eat out way more than once a month. Your lazy parents probably took your little bitch arse out to eat at least once or twice a week so they didn’t have to cook at home. Now, that’s your standard just like all of your entitled friends.
The problem is, you and your entitled generations live way too far in excess of your means. You need to learn your place on the ladder son. You earn your way up. You start at the bottom. Entitled and soft. That is the defining quality of you and your generation.
You want a 2/3 bedroom 2 bath house or condo in a trendy area with plenty of entertainment options. Restaurants, bars, coffee shops, bakeries. If you can’t afford it inside the heart of a big city you want it to be in a trendy suburb. That is nothing like buying a 3 bedroom, 45 year old ranch house with a carport on a full or 1/2 acre in a more semi-rural smaller town. Those can be had at $190-$250k all over the map if you are willing to live in a small town. Most of you entitled fricks aren’t because it is considered beneath your standard.
You also aren’t accustomed to going on one vacation a year. That is not good enough for your generation. You need those photos to post your social bona fides. And you will spend way more than you can afford to take many vacations and probably run it up on a credit card.
I bet you eat out way more than once a month. Your lazy parents probably took your little bitch arse out to eat at least once or twice a week so they didn’t have to cook at home. Now, that’s your standard just like all of your entitled friends.
The problem is, you and your entitled generations live way too far in excess of your means. You need to learn your place on the ladder son. You earn your way up. You start at the bottom. Entitled and soft. That is the defining quality of you and your generation.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:01 pm to StringedInstruments
I don’t have the mental fortitude to read through this assuredly retarded thread
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:03 pm to Dirk Dawgler
Ok boomer
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:04 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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Bull shite. Are you a member of the 20s-30s entitled little bitch class?
He's a member of the 38-40 class. So am I. I have agreed with basically everything he's said because he's not wrong.
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You also aren’t accustomed to going on one vacation a year. That is not good enough for your generation. You need those photos to post your social bona fides. And you will spend way more than you can afford to take many vacations and probably run it up on a credit card.
I go on one vacation a year. My MIL pays for us to come and we bring our kids. Paying for a vacation every year isn't in our budget
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I bet you eat out way more than once a month
We never eat out, like ever.
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The problem is, you and your entitled generations live way too far in excess of your means
ok boomer
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:08 pm to Dirk Dawgler
quote:lol sucks for you
You start at the bottom
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:20 pm to lsufball19
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It's not complete bullshite. Your client's didn't have your home phone number and e-mail didn't exist. How exactly were your client's calling you after business hours? Office is closed, phones are rolled over to answering machines to be listened to when the office opens the next day. It's only bullshite if you want to argue technology that wasn't prevalent (or didn't exist) then actually was (or did).
Plenty of companies had on-call people, with pagers and giving out their home number to the answering service. Also, e-mail has existed since the 80s.
Additionally, most of the jobs requiring the after hours help didn't exist in other eras, but those people had challenges of their own that you don't have.
You can't bitch about what inconveniences you, while ignoring the parts that benefit you.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:23 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Plenty of companies had on-call people, with pagers and giving out their home number to the answering service.
Not many did. No
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Also, e-mail has existed since the 80s.
was it prevalent? No. Like I said
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Additionally, most of the jobs requiring the after hours help didn't exist in other eras
bingo, so what I said wasn't bullshite. Glad we cleared that up
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You can't bitch about what inconveniences you, while ignoring the parts that benefit you.
likewise, you can't ignore/diminish the problems of today because you didn't have to deal with them. So maybe you stop being a hypocrite, or not, you do you.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:26 pm to lsufball19
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likewise, you can't ignore/diminish the problems of today because you didn't have to deal with them
I'm alive and working today. I'm dealing with everything everyone else is.
I have hundreds of customers, employees and vendors that have my cell phone. I'm available 24/7.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:27 pm to lsufball19
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who said anyone owed me anything?
You did, when you posted that whiny nonsense about "Good for you that you lived in a generation...blah, blah, blah, whine, whine, whine."
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It's called breaking down fricking math in response to the idiotic arguments being made ITT that owning a basic home isn't more difficult today than in prior generation
Yeah , I broke down that math above. Turns out, what you claim is not really true. According to the math. It may be marginally harder TODAY, but what I keep trying to get through y'alls idiot whiney skulls is that evaluating an entire generation's opportunities takes much longer than the period of time that home prices have increased recently.
You may have missed it above when I posted the math fact that houses doubled in price between 1980 and 1989. This is not something that your generation alone has experienced. I know you think it is, and I know the popular narrative is that it is, but it's not.
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Um, I am staying in my starter home. The issue presented is I wouldn't be able to afford my starter home anymore making significantly more (double) what I was making when I bought it 6 years ago.
The point is going very far over your head
Sorry, whining impairs my ability to comprehend.
So it sounds like another congratulations on you and all of your friends having been able to buy that house when you did is in order. What a lucky generation you have.
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maybe you should tell your parents it was their fault they didn't work harder
So when someone today...not five years ago not five years from now can't afford a house that almost certainly is bigger and nicer than what people used to call a "starter house," it's someone else's fault. When people in 1970 couldn't afford something much smaller and not nearly as nice, it was their fault.
That sounds about right for you bunch of spoiled whiners.
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I wouldn't expect you to have heard those discussions.
O.k., but if it were possible I would bet you my bank account that you whiny babies will be complaining about this on your death beds 50 years from now. I see nothing in your character to refute that prediction.
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Spare me.
O.k., then since you (not me, you) are on this board whining about not being able to afford your house at today's rates, let's do a little exercise.
How much did your current vehicles cost? How often do you buy new vehicles? How about hobbies? Hunting? Any hunting land you lease or pay for access to? Guns? How many of those do you own? Or maybe it's golf? How much are your clubs worth? Memberships in any golf/country clubs? If it's not hunting or golf, what is it? Traveling to football games, what? Tell us about it. Travel ball? Streaming services? How many nights a week do you eat out? Vacations? How often and how much do you spend on those?
If you have the consumption habits of the average person your age, you COULD afford that house. You just couldn't afford it plus all the rest of the stuff you buy. Maybe you're very atypical. Cooperate with the exercise and we'll find out.
As far as being dismissive of people who lived through the GD, that is just more evidence of your age group's lack of character. You've never experienced anything like that and 95% of people your age would end up curled into a ball in the corner with pissed-in pants crying about it if you did have to face what they faced.
The fact that you're here whining like you are is my evidence of that.
Yeah, there's a dolt on here. But is not me.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:37 pm to wackatimesthree
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Now those things are done by only a small minority of students. Especially working while in school. And most students live in luxury dorms and apartments. I mean nicer than anything I ever lived in as a 20-something with a job.
This is 100% true. I'm sure there are plenty students working. But there are many who are not. Most of the grad students in my daughter's (no pics) DPT program have worked very little. My daughter has worked full time as a teacher and has a very different perspective from the Gen Zs she was in PT school with.
Also, the dorm situation is out of control. I see normal dorm rooms from the last 10 years and they are much nicer than the nicest apartment I lived in before buying our first house. It's shocking the expectation they have. I think some of that comes from their Gen X parents who are worried about the not so nice apartment. The apts my friends lived in during college in the 80s were not nice.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:37 pm to wackatimesthree
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ou did, when you posted that whiny nonsense about "Good for you that you lived in a generation...blah, blah, blah, whine, whine, whine."
can't get it out I see. What did I whine about again? Use your words this time
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Turns out, what you claim is not really true
It's ok to say you don't understand math
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Sorry, whining impairs my ability to comprehend.
A lot of things do apparently
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So when someone today...not five years ago not five years from now can't afford a house that almost certainly is bigger and nicer than what people used to call a "starter house," it's someone else's fault.
Can you point to me where I said it was someone's fault? TIA
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O.k., but if it were possible I would bet you my bank account that you whiny babies will be complaining about this on your death beds 50 years from now. I see nothing in your character to refute that prediction.
ok boomer
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How much did your current vehicles cost?
Bought my wife's in 2016 for ~$15k. Paid off. Still have it. Bought mine in 2021 (previous car was bought in 2008) as my previous car was more expensive to fix than it was worth. Paid around $35k for it. Will be padi off next year
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How often do you buy new vehicles?
When the cost to keep them running financially makes no sense. I've put over 200k miles on every vehicle I've ever owned
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How about hobbies? Hunting? Any hunting land you lease or pay for access to? Guns? How many of those do you own? Or maybe it's golf? How much are your clubs worth? Memberships in any golf/country clubs? If it's not hunting or golf, what is it? Traveling to football games, what?
Used to golf. Golf maybe 3 times a year now. Used to hunt a lot. Go on one hunting trip with my dad a year now (a weekend) Haven't ever paid for a gun. All were passed down or given as a gift when I was a child. I've been to one football game in person since 2019. I have no hobbies anymore. I have children.
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Travel ball? Streaming services? How many nights a week do you eat out? Vacations? How often and how much do you spend on those?
I pay for yotubetv and disney+ (for my daughters). My wife's company comps us for our internet. As already stated (please read), I don't pay for vacations. My kids don't do travel ball. I eat out maybe once every other month.
I know you are looking for a gotcha somewhere in there. Sorry you're not going to find one. The economy blows. Maybe watch the news or read. I don't know
But spare me the "herp, derp, you entitled people younger than me" routine. quote:
Yeah, there's a dolt on here. But is not me.
self awareness isn't your thing, I see
I do what I have to do to support my family. Me calling a spade a spade re the economy is just that. Seems you think stating realities of the world is complaining. You do you bud
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:42 pm to redneck hippie
Have you priced homes recently? Have you looked in metro areas where jobs are?
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:56 pm to swamptiger99
If the house you can afford is an hour away, get your arse up at 5:00am and drive to the job from an hour away. Or stfu about it.
Posted on 9/12/24 at 5:00 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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if you are willing to live in a small town
THERE ARE NO frickING JOBS!!!!!! And no one is hiring
Posted on 9/12/24 at 6:52 pm to swamptiger99
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if you are willing to live in a small town
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THERE ARE NO frickING JOBS!!!!!! And no one is hiring
Yeah, that's exactly what is kind of hard to see in statistics.
Like I posted above, I still have the house I inherited in a small southern Alabama town. In the 70s and 80s there were about 5 smaller factories there (brick, textile, metal works, boat parts etc) that have all closed. The large paper mill has cut back on full time positions.
The town used to be filled with the full range of locally owned businesses but now many of those are replaced by chains.
There's just not many jobs that fit the middle class "average" income there anymore compared to the 70s.
I imagine a great deal of rural towns all across the country are very similar unless they are within an hour of a pretty big city.
The houses in these areas are certainly affordable (and then some!!) -- unless you have to pay for them on the wages of stocking at Walmart.
Is is just older ,retired people who constantly say people "aren't willing to live in rural towns" and that's why they don't know those areas are exactly the ones where corporations moving manufacturing overseas and mega chains have depleted middle class jobs?
Posted on 9/12/24 at 7:23 pm to StringedInstruments
Maybe these Profs should start flunking them out of school instead of dumbing things down.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 8:12 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Not sure how you can be contacted via email after work if your home does not have internet which was non-existent/limited at home until the mid-90s.
I remember the upgrade from dial-up to RoadRunner was mind blowing haha.
I remember the upgrade from dial-up to RoadRunner was mind blowing haha.
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