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re: There aren’t enough skilled workers and guys under 40 willing to work with their hands
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:30 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:30 pm to Stonehog
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Because you make average money unless you own the company.
Not true. My guys make $30-$58 an hour and they always get their 40. If they're on a prevailing wage job they make up to $70.45 an hour.
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:34 pm to The Top G
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you make this your living subtract your income tax from your profits and both employee and employer sides of FICA (both of which you are supposed to do anyway), plus your costs to be licensed and insured.
This is what cash discounts are for
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:35 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Problem is blue collar work is stigmatized. The schools, Hollywood, and the news media constantly tell them you're less of a person if you aren't college educated.
That's NOT the problem at all. The problem is the pay and the wear and tear on your body.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:35 pm to deltaland
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My farm mechanic charges 120/hr
My mechanic charges 180/hour.
Still about half what I would need to switch careers.
And the dude charging 180/ hour has decades of specialized experience and a strong reputation. I don't need those to charge nearly twice as much for my services...
If I won a small lotto where I didn't have to worry about bills I'd probably apprentice with a mechanic. But I haven't hit that lick yet so it's office job for the time being.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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50 years ago, sure. Technology is as dominant today in the blue collar world as it is the white collar.
Except it's not. Just heard about a guy paralyzed from falling in a hole on a work site the other day. Explain how that can happen in an office.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:38 pm to VABuckeye
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Not true.
Yes it is, look up median income for HVAC technicians in the South.
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My guys make $30-$58 an hour and they always get their 40. If they're on a prevailing wage job they make up to $70.45 an hour.
That’s great. If that was normal we wouldn’t have a shortage of trade labor. In Virginia the highest paid HVAC technicians make about $75k and the median is less than 50.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:39 pm to Stonehog
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That’s great. If that was normal we wouldn’t have a shortage of trade labor. In Virginia the highest paid HVAC technicians make about $75k and the median is less than 50.
HVAC is extremely taxing work and typically most work piles up at the hottest time of the year.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:just as dominant? you are so full of shite it's hard to believe
50 years ago, sure. Technology is as dominant today in the blue collar world as it is the white collar.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:39 pm to Mizz-SEC
quote:The good ones are for sure. Also making their own hours- don't call my plumber during hunting season, and my painter takes the jobs he wants so you may wait months because his hours are 10 am -3 pm.
The trades are naming their own price right now.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:40 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Explain how that can happen in an office.
Any idiot can fall down a flight of stairs in the office.
But Roger is completely off base with that comment.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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Any idiot can fall down a flight of stairs in the office.
And get smashed by an excavator afterwards?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:44 pm to tiggerthetooth
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And get smashed by an excavator afterwards?
I was unaware you only get paralyzed by a fall AND heavy equipment falling on you.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:44 pm to gumbeaux
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You wouldn’t believe the simple tasks that the under 40 crowd pay for someone to do. I swear they don’t own any tools…..not even a screwdriver.
A local plumbing company is running a TV ad in Austin telling dudes they will come unclog their toilet so they don't have to get their hands dirty.
Imagine the kids the target audience will raise.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 3:47 pm to VABuckeye
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Now where the hell is the board stretcher!!
When I was new, I fell for the Cable Stretcher gag.
A guy opened his van and I saw a guitar case in there, playing guitar myself I said oh what kind of guitar you have there? He said it was a cable stretcher. My boss was standing next to me and I looked over at him skeptically, and he played along with the other guy. They had me going for like 10 minutes talking about the different models of cable stretchers, the physics, when to use it, when not to use it, accidents they had witnessed with cables stretchers, they had me on the line, I was soaking it all up, thinking I was learning stuff.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:06 pm to LNCHBOX
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I was unaware you only get paralyzed by a fall AND heavy equipment falling on you.
Are you seriously arguing an office setting is just as dangerous as a construction worksite?
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:11 pm to bad93ex
I hired some of them. Zero skill. 5 th grade education at best. Never again.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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world as it is the white collar.
just as dominant? you are so full of shite it's hard to believe
Maybe more in some areas.. Heavy equipment can operate itself via GPS. Jobs that once required a thousand men with shovels now require a good playlist or podcast.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:52 pm to Stonehog
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That’s great. If that was normal we wouldn’t have a shortage of trade labor. In Virginia the highest paid HVAC technicians make about $75k and the median is less than 50.
That ain't shite in Virginia.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 4:59 pm to Arthur Bach
Yep
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:05 pm to Arthur Bach
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It’s not that people don’t want to do the work, it’s the demographics alone tell you there aren’t enough men under 40 to fill the roles that are being vacated by the 55+ crowd as they retire. This country (and nearly every other post-industrial country on earth) is going to have an interesting 20-30 years ahead as we adjust to the new normal.
We’ve been talking about this happening for 20 years, now that it’s happening people seem shocked and ignore this as the main reason for all the lack of workers. Covid accelerated this a bit as well.
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