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re: there are NO consequences in school anymore at all, it is a joke
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:24 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:24 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Please, please, please explain how it is that an omnipotent god is unable to gain entry into a public school??? Don't y'all supposedly carry him in your hearts everywhere you go? If so but he ain't in schools that means that the kids of believers either don't or they leave poor old helpless god outside the door. For the life of me I will never understand how y'all arrive at these silly assed notions
You shouldn't speak about God if you don't know him.
Humans have free will.
God never forces us to love him or be moral. Jesus never forced anyone to follow him.
We choose. Light or darkness. Life or death. Heaven or Hell.
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:25 pm to Klark Kent
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Not everything is about consequences. Some kids just need extra care.
such as?
I don't understand what you're asking.
It was in response to the poster who says he applies consequences, yet nothing comes out of it. I just meant that it's absurd to keep trying the same thing over and over again. If his son really disconnects from responsibility as much as we're led to believe, then punishment won't ever work.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:25 pm to LSUguy2023
As a teacher just finishing my 11th year (second career), I can't deny any of this. It's a nationwide issue across all demographics and political leanings.
The school choice thing isn't going to fix any of this. Charter schools are going to wind up being like shopping centers where as soon as another one opens up, then the older one will be out of fashion. Also, it'd be just a matter of time before they are subjected to the same BS that public schools have dealt with for decades.
It's a complex array of issues, there isn't one definitive answer. I don't see a bright future for the education system in our country. In fact I think before I die, public education will be reduced to kids staring at laptop screens a few times a year and eventually they get handed a diploma.
We'll eventually devolve into a Morlock and Eloi situation.
The school choice thing isn't going to fix any of this. Charter schools are going to wind up being like shopping centers where as soon as another one opens up, then the older one will be out of fashion. Also, it'd be just a matter of time before they are subjected to the same BS that public schools have dealt with for decades.
It's a complex array of issues, there isn't one definitive answer. I don't see a bright future for the education system in our country. In fact I think before I die, public education will be reduced to kids staring at laptop screens a few times a year and eventually they get handed a diploma.
We'll eventually devolve into a Morlock and Eloi situation.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:28 pm to FearTheFish
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there are NO consequences in school anymore at all, it is a joke
Try calling someone the wrong pronoun.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:29 pm to blucollarskolar
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I'm not an educator or a professor by any means. And I understand completely that it starts and ends with the home. But there has to be consequences somewhere.
If the parents were doing what they should, then these issues wouldn't be a problem in the first place. However, If the kid is not facing consequences at home, the answer is not for them to have no consequences at school either.
Inconvenience the kid. If that doesn't work, inconvenience the kid enough that is also inconveniences the parent. Eventually something will change.
No, it won't (unfortunately). Schools with hundreds or thousands of students from across a broad spectrum of society won't let students suffer the consequences of their decisions, generally speaking. That parents are proactive and wondering why their kid is getting passing marks despite late work/failing grades/etc is great, but those parents are the minority. Not necessarily a small minority, but minority nonetheless. Middle and high schools are too large to handle all the issues they face, in my opinion, and there's no reason to think it will ever get any better.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:30 pm to ATrillionaire
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I'm suggesting the parent take initiative.
The guy you are responding to is taking the initiative…the problem is that when he gets on his son’s arse about late work/missing assignments, the son looks at his portal, sees all of his A’s and comes away from that talk thinking his dad is an unhinged lunatic.
Alternately, if the school simply refused the late work, the dad does the exact same thing except now, dad shoves the zeros in the kid’s face and tells him “kiss your summer goodbye if you keep this up”. Completely different lesson and likely different result.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:33 pm to Dadren
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The guy you are responding to is taking the initiative…the problem is that when he gets on his son’s arse about late work/missing assignments, the son looks at his portal, sees all of his A’s and comes away from that talk thinking his dad is an unhinged lunatic.
Alternately, if the school simply refused the late work, the dad does the exact same thing except now, dad shoves the zeros in the kid’s face and tells him “kiss your summer goodbye if you keep this up”. Completely different lesson and likely different result.
But dad is seeing the zeros. That was the point of his rant.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:34 pm to Snipe
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You shouldn't speak about God if you don't know him.
Humans have free will.
God never forces us to love him or be moral. Jesus never forced anyone to follow him.
We choose. Light or darkness. Life or death. Heaven or Hell.
So you didn't answer the question. Any reason why not? How is it the school door is powerful enough to stop a spirit (your god is supposed to be fairly powerful) from entering hearts and minds (and therefore, the cause of all society's ills)?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:35 pm to alajones
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As a teacher just finishing my 11th year (second career), I can't deny any of this. It's a nationwide issue across all demographics and political leanings.
The school choice thing isn't going to fix any of this. Charter schools are going to wind up being like shopping centers where as soon as another one opens up, then the older one will be out of fashion. Also, it'd be just a matter of time before they are subjected to the same BS that public schools have dealt with for decades.
It's a complex array of issues, there isn't one definitive answer. I don't see a bright future for the education system in our country. In fact I think before I die, public education will be reduced to kids staring at laptop screens a few times a year and eventually they get handed a diploma.
We'll eventually devolve into a Morlock and Eloi situation.
Facts.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:39 pm to ATrillionaire
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But dad is seeing the zeros. That was the point of his rant.
OK I think I see the disconnect here. This was posted before the one you replied to.
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we check his grades and constantly find zeroes and when questioned, he says he gets distracted in class and then forgets to bring the necessary texts to finish the work at home. It used to blow my mind but he gets decent grades every 9 weeks because the teachers allow the students to turn in work late for basically full credit.
His teachers are recording zeros on the due date, then revising grades after the late-as-hell work is completed. He and I are making the same point…it undermines our efforts as parents who give a crap and know this is bad for their development.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:41 pm to deltadummy
Do you believe in God?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:42 pm to 03 West CoChamps
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No Child Left Behind caused a lot of this.
Totally correct. Biggest crock of shite legislation that fricked up classrooms, hamstrung teachers, and empowered parents to cry wolf about their shitty child and get their way everytime.
Zero consequences, no matter how much documentation proves what some little shite bird from out of zone is causing the whole class to suffer.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:48 pm to alajones
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It's a complex array of issues, there isn't one definitive answer.
Correct, but we have to start somewhere. While there are some things government can address, there are some things it cannot.
Bad students are often the result of bad/uninvolved parenting (and there are legions of studies and meta studies proving how parental involvement in their child's schooling is far more beneficial than not).
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:57 pm to tylercsbn9
quote:blame federal and state funding. Then your school district. The school and teacher are helpless in this scenario. And believe you me, those kids are raised in a culture that believes in dismissing themselves from accountability, but they know the legal obligations of the school system backwards and forwards.
Nothing frickin happened to the kid. He was back in class Monday. My wife said the mom told admin she hopes he has an over teacher next year because he can’t handle redirection. The art teacher and his actual teacher are the nicest and most patient people. Stupid arse parents.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:57 pm to ATrillionaire
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It was in response to the poster who says he applies consequences, yet nothing comes out of it. I just meant that it's absurd to keep trying the same thing over and over again. If his son really disconnects from responsibility as much as we're led to believe, then punishment won't ever work.
yes, i understand what you suggested to the previous poster. I am asking how that same methodology could be applied to the broader topic (school children). What does ‘extra care’ look like for school children that the OP suggests lack consequences?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 1:01 pm to Klark Kent
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yes, i understand what you suggested to the previous poster. I am asking how that same methodology could be applied to the broader topic (school children). What does ‘extra care’ look like for school children that the OP suggests lack consequences?
No idea.
I just know that punishment is not always that best method for action correction. I'm far from being against punishment, however.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 1:03 pm to ATrillionaire
quote:my prayer in life was to raise independent strong good character kids. I just don’t care that much about school or grades. Yes we expect you to do well, or as good as you can, but I’m not spending much time in worrying about it as long as they are polite, conscientious, kind, and show some spine. He knows how far he can push, and it is too far just as the OP describes
just know that punishment is not always that best method for action correction. I'm far from being against punishment, however.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/8/25 at 1:04 pm to ATrillionaire
i don't disagree (as the father of 2 young ones).
Posted on 5/8/25 at 1:05 pm to LSUguy2023
It's been that way since public schools went to uniforms when everyone thought clothes were the cause of issues,
Posted on 5/8/25 at 1:10 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Often times, there’s way to many consequences.
Are you in a race with AggieHank and SFP for the greatest pile of shitty takes?
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