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re: The Will of a Southerner to a roaring Confederacy victory - The Battle of Chancellorsville
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:00 pm to LSUDAN1
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:00 pm to LSUDAN1
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If Lee doesn't lose Stonewall the wins Gettysburg
If Stonewall Jackson is at Gettysburg, there is no Battle of Gettysburg. The Union army falls back to Pipe Creek in Maryland.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:02 pm to Darth_Vader
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One of the most sad aspects of progressive propaganda usurping American history is 99.9% of young Americans will go their entire life thinking this man, one of the greatest Americans to ever live, a true Titan of our country was nothing more than a racist traitor.
A tactician truly ahead of his time. I often wonder how history would treat him had he chosen to fight for the Union.
Something about competing with an alcoholic yankee for command of the union army. Perhaps even the presidency eventually.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:06 pm to HerkFlyer
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I often wonder how history would treat him had he chosen to fight for the Union.
They'd still be tearing down his statues as I type. The Founding Fathers' visions for this country died the day Lee surrendered at Appomattox. The current perversion we laughingly call a democracy is a logical consequence of a highly centralized and omnipresent government.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:08 pm to SCLibertarian
Probably should have stipulated history up to 2020.
Don't disagree with any of your points. Grant will be branded a racist in time.
Don't disagree with any of your points. Grant will be branded a racist in time.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:08 pm to Baws
Do you southerners ever feel weird reliving the battles of a lost war? I must admit, as the fan of a lowly big ten football program, I often do the same, but that doesn’t make it any less pathetic.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:15 pm to The Third Leg
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Do you southerners ever feel weird reliving the battles of a lost war?
obviously I'm not going to speak for others regarding why they enjoy watching them....but I've always been fascinated with history(specifically history of wars throughout the years).
I don't still go to re-enactments but the times I did years ago I did appreciate getting to watch in person how battles were fought at that time.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:17 pm to PrimetimeDaBoss
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Traitors still lost the war
Then the foundation of the United States was founded by traitors. Why was the American Revolution justified when the Southern revolution was not? Both were about self determination.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:21 pm to The Third Leg
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Do you southerners ever feel weird reliving the battles of a lost war? I must admit, as the fan of a lowly big ten football program, I often do the same, but that doesn’t make it any less pathetic.
I've been a fan of civil war history since I was a child. I don't lament the loss, I just enjoy the history. Always have. A college football metaphor is far too simple a comparison.
Losing a war=/=Losing your in your weak arse conference
Bitch
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:35 pm to Baws
And F#*^ the 8 Yankees/Self Hating Southerners that voted your excellent post down.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:16 am to HerkFlyer
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A tactician truly ahead of his time. I often wonder how history would treat him had he chosen to fight for the Union.
Lee truly was one of the greatest military commanders of all time. But what made him a great American was what he did after the war. As I alluded to in my first post what he is remembered for now is only what he did between 1861 and 1865. But what should be taught along with that is what he did after 1865.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:22 am to Darth_Vader
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But what should be taught along with that is what he did after 1865.
His work reconciling differences via W and L University?
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:27 am to HerkFlyer
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His work reconciling differences via W and L University?
Exactly. Teachings that our country sorely needs right now.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:30 am to WestCoastAg
Arnet you supposedly from Cali?
How do you have any southern will
How do you have any southern will
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:37 am to Landmass
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Lincoln killed more Americans than all other Presidents combined.
If Hillary would’ve won, the numbers would be close.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:40 am to Baws
Beyond embarrassing and truly regrettable that the first GOP President ever was a tyrannical and genocidal monster like Abe Lincoln.
If the GOP was really honest with itself, it would come to understand and accept that the birth of the monstrous blob we know today as the American Federal Government started with Lincoln and was wholly his creation.
And then start treating him accordingly.
If the GOP was really honest with itself, it would come to understand and accept that the birth of the monstrous blob we know today as the American Federal Government started with Lincoln and was wholly his creation.
And then start treating him accordingly.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:46 am to The Third Leg
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Do you southerners ever feel weird reliving the battles of a lost war?
The yankee north simply does not understand that we are still feeling the political, cultural, economical and financial effects of the Civil War some 150 years later.
The war may have been "won" by the North but the cultural, economic, financial and political divisions that preceded the war and arose after the war was never going to go away.
If anything, the cultural and political divides alone are worse today.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 3:25 am to The Third Leg
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Do you southerners ever feel weird reliving the battles of a lost war? I must admit, as the fan of a lowly big ten football program, I often do the same, but that doesn’t make it any less pathetic.
Would you really ever forget your enemy bringing the war to civilians like your wife and children while you were away fighting for your country?
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Philip Sheridan surveyed his awful handwork with satisfaction.
Plumes of black smoke smudged the Shenandoah Valley’s fairytale landscape of rolling green hills and brooks. In places, yellow flames could be seen shooting from a barn’s gambrel roof or racing through a grain field. Distance muted the crackle of burning fires, the crash of barns and outbuildings collapsing in heaps of charred timbers, and the cries of women and children as the bluecoats shot down their livestock.
Ulysses Grant had ordered the destruction in his initial instructions to Sheridan. “Nothing should be left to invite the enemy to return,”
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 3:43 am to SCLibertarian
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The very concept of a unified, centralized United States was alien to them. Of course they'd fight for their states over some foreign notion of Union with people they'd never met and places they'd never been.
What I wouldn’t give for this to be the case today. It’s time for middle America and the south to ignore everything that comes out of DC.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 6:56 am to Sentrius
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the birth of the monstrous blob we know today as the American Federal Government started with Lincoln and was wholly his creation.
Yes but that was "Wartime Lincoln". We never got a chance to see what a "Peacetime Lincoln" would look like.
I regret that he was killed before we had a chance to find out.
Also, I regret that the South seceded and took up arms without negotiating with Lincoln and Congress. The South almost certainly could have kept slavery for a good bit longer. And abolished it over time, under very generous terms.
Secession was a bad decision. A snap judgment that plunged the South into a war it wasn't prepared for. And a result that doomed it to reaping the whirlwind of its mistake.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 7:03 am to Neunelfer GTFO
The valley never really recovered.
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