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re: The Top 10 Bloodiest Battles of the Second World War
Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:44 pm to IAmNERD
Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:44 pm to IAmNERD
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Japan did a number on them before they turned their attention to us.
They never stopped though. When Japan surrendered in ‘45, many Japanese army generals were pissed off because they were still winning and kicking China’s butt.
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:48 pm to Reubaltaich
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I did a quick Internet search which showed over 27 million casualties for the Russians, which is combined number of the civilian and military population.
That's more than the current population of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:54 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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American high schools do an absolutely appalling job of teaching history. It’s nothing but names and dates, very little impact of actions and events.
When we covered WWII in American history, we barely even touched on the fricking pacific theater. We focused on D Day and the European battles a little bit and then jumped straight into civil rights. I swear I’ve learned more about ancient and American history through listening to hardcore history and the revolutions podcast, hearing something, and researching it than all of my time in high school
Just a story... Had an eccentric teacher once. Out of the clear blue one day he put a small piece of chalk on his desk. The he took a huge book and slammed it on the desk obliterating the chalk... "KABAM"... " AND that" he said, "Was what the Russians did to the Germans at Stalingrad."...
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:01 pm to Reubaltaich
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over 27 million casualties for the Russians
Which is why they dgaf. Hard to have respect for human life with so much death. Would take a strong faith not to become the ultimate nihilist.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:03 pm to RollTide1987
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5. Battle of Moscow (September 30, 1941-January 7, 1942) - 1,354,234 total casualties
The German Army's drive on Moscow is stopped just miles short of the gates of Moscow and pushed back by a massive Soviet counteroffensive. Prior to the Soviet attack, advanced German units could easily see the spires of Moscow through their binoculars.
World might be better off if the Germans took Moscow, Stalin committed suicide or "committed suicide", the Soviet government collapsed, and Russian partisans cut off the German supply lines so the occupiers starved/froze.
Basically, Hitler and Stalin both lose bigly.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:08 pm to Bestbank Tiger
We have to understand that Asians and that includes Russians have different values regarding human life. China is willing to lose millions in a war with the US and we are not. Russia being also an Asian country is also willing to put up with much higher casualties than the US.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:10 pm to WWII Collector
Why do you think China and Russia are posturing
Population control
Population control
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:15 pm to Reubaltaich
Both the wars did significant damage to the population of white people. Combined, they killed around 60 million Europeans.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:19 pm to RollTide1987
You need to check the stats on the Battle of Attu….
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:21 pm to WestCoastAg
Yep…look at Battle of Attu
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:27 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Did we do this for the First World War?
No. However, it is more difficult to score civilian casualties in the First World War, particularly when it comes to attributing their deaths to battle. Most civilian deaths in the First World War were the result of famine and disease. The Armenian genocide and the various German and Austrian atrocities in both Belgium and Serbia notwithstanding, civilians typically weren't seen by the various militaries as legitimate targets in World War I as they were in World War II.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:32 pm to kciDAtaE
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Ever think of posting comparisons of major battles through time?
Thanks for the compliments. And I could definitely do that in the future.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:53 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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When we covered WWII in American history, we barely even touched on the fricking pacific theater. We focused on D Day and the European battles a little bit and then jumped straight into civil rights.
Nothing stops you from independent reading. If American history was thorough you'd never sniff WII.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 11:27 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:It goes to show how propaganda is always in play. Every country needs to believe its own story that it tells itself. Most Americans grew up believing D-Day was the heroic, yet catastrophic singular act that defined WWII. In reality, it was mostly clean-up work against 2nd and 3rd rate soldiers (many of them foreign conscripts) that weren't good enough for the Ostfront.
American high schools do an absolutely appalling job of teaching history. It’s nothing but names and dates, very little impact of actions and events.
When we covered WWII in American history, we barely even touched on the fricking pacific theater. We focused on D Day and the European battles a little bit and then jumped straight into civil rights.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 11:41 pm to RollTide1987
The Eastern Front was an absolute bloodbath. Hitler's big blunder. He was too greedy. Overruled his generals advice. Couldn't secure Moscow before winter set in.
Then he wouldn't allow retreat in crucial moments. You have large encirclement and slaughter. The Front was so large it was also difficult not to be constantly flanked.
Then he wouldn't allow retreat in crucial moments. You have large encirclement and slaughter. The Front was so large it was also difficult not to be constantly flanked.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:18 am to vilma4prez
quote:Yeah, from what I remember learning, part of the reason France tapped out so early was that they remembered the attrition from WW1 and wanted no part of that again. As I recall, they also misread the politics in Germany, and didn't think the Nazis were going to be as bad as they were. And they, in turn, had the worst sort of politicians running things at the time.
These casualties are from mostly defending their homeland. On all sides.
We are lucky to never have gotten to that point.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:37 am to EarlDibblesJr
quote:If you want to read a great biography by a German soldier that somehow survived the Eastern Front, read this.
The Eastern Front was an absolute bloodbath.
The Forgotten Soldier
Posted on 3/9/23 at 3:19 am to CarrolltonTiger
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When we covered WWII in American history, we barely even touched on the fricking pacific theater. We focused on D Day and the European battles a little bit and then jumped straight into civil rights.
Nothing stops you from independent reading. If American history was thorough you'd never sniff WII.
This.
The problem with teaching history in school is you don't have infinite amounts of time to give every topic the respect it deserves. Every time a major historical event happens(9/11, covid, etc.), you have to chose between either teaching that or getting rid of something else.
It's the only basic school subject that is in a state of constant growth.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 5:18 am to vilma4prez
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27 million Russians dead
Where is this number from?
You do know casualties include deaths along with injury and illness, correct?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 6:46 am to RD Dawg
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Where is this number from?
It’s an accurate number. Tens of millions of Soviet military and civilian personnel were casualties of war from 1939-1945, but of that number - 27 million were killed outright. About 11.5 million soldiers were killed in combat or died in German POW and concentration camps. The remainder of them were civilian deaths, mostly victims of the Holocaust or anti-Bolshevik pogroms.
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