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re: 'The toll of the anti-vaccination movement, in one devastating graphic'

Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by Jet12
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:02 pm to
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What part of this...
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98 million Americans were given polio vaccine contaminated with cancer-causing virus, admits CDC

did you not understand?

Your link did say it happened...from 1955 to 1963. As unfortunate as that is, it's not really relevant to those born after that.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:10 pm to
Man, I thought some people in this thread were all ate up with the dumbass, but then TX Tiger showed up and made the rest of you look like fricking Rhodes Scholars by comparison.

It saddens me that he probably has children.

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98 million Americans were given polio vaccine contaminated with cancer-causing virus, admits CDC


1) 98 million people were vaccinated during the time the contamination occurred. Not all of the vaccinations were contaminated. Hence, 98 million people did not receive the vaccination. Estimates are more like 30 million.

2) Epidemiological studies have been done and show no increase in cancer in the group of people who did receive the contaminated vaccine when compared to those in their cohort who did not.
American Medical Association Study

Of course, you probably won't believe the study because the AMA's all in bed with the CDC to hide this, amiright?
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:11 pm to
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Do you really think there's a government conspiracy to kill everyone? Do you realize how stupid you sound?
You are terrible at strawman building.
You are the one claiming that the government is intentionally infecting people with deadly diseases.
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Scare tactics?
Yes, scare tactics. Trying to convince people that getting vaccinated is dangerous. What do you call it?
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So go get vaccinated....OR EVERYONE WILL DIE!!!! Just a friendly reminder.
Not everyone, of course, but a significant number will. Is this not obvious?
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What part of this...
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98 million Americans were given polio vaccine contaminated with cancer-causing virus, admits CDC
did you not understand?

First of all, that "quote" is wrong. 98 million people received the vaccine from 1955-63, but not all were tainted. That number is estimated at between 10 and 30 million. So, why are the facts misrepresented? I know why: scare tactics.

Second, I don't understand why the rest of the facts are not included in your quote, such as the fact that multiple studies in multiple countries have concluded that there is no relationship between those who received contaminated vaccines and cancer.

Third, the oral vaccine used the live virus, but the virus in question passed through without infecting people (no one developed antibodies to it as would be expected from exposure). The injected virus was killed with formaldehyde first, just like the polio virus, so exposure was likely extremely limited.



Your conspiracy theory has no legs to stand on, and many decades have passed and there hasn't been a "cancer epidemic". There was a big spike in lung cancer rates, which is perfectly correlated to the increase in smoking rates from a couple decades prior. Lung cancer rates have since come down, again with a couple decade lag time from when smoking rates started coming down. Can you find any cancer rate increases linked to this virus you're trying to scare everyone about? No, you can't, so do us all a favor and shut the frick up.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:21 pm to
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Man, I thought some people in this thread were all ate up with the dumbass, but then TX Tiger showed up and made the rest of you look like fricking Rhodes Scholars by comparison.


Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:28 pm to
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. But would you rather know that your child is in a much better place or would you rather be in a situation where you have to take care of your child for the next____years until you die because they aren't capable of caring for themselves??


Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:05 pm to
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You are the one claiming that the government is intentionally infecting people with deadly diseases.
No, the CDC is. LINK

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First of all, that "quote" is wrong. 98 million people received the vaccine from 1955-63, but not all were tainted. That number is estimated at between 10 and 30 million. So, why are the facts misrepresented? I know why: scare tactics.
Because knowingly vaccinating 10-30 million people with a cancer-causing virus is insignificant.

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Second, I don't understand why the rest of the facts are not included in your quote, such as the fact that multiple studies in multiple countries have concluded that there is no relationship between those who received contaminated vaccines and cancer.
Not according to the CDC..."some research results are conflicting and more studies are needed."

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Your conspiracy theory has no legs to stand on
Ah, the old conspiracy theory card. I was wondering when you were going to pull that one out.

Here are the facts: SV40 was made illegal after it was discovered to be cancer-causing, yet they knowingly gave it to somewhere between 10-98 million Americans.
Why they did it is irrelevant in the context of this thread. I'm pretty sure, however, that like everything else, it has to do with money.

"The chief, if not the sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination." - Dr. Robert Bell; V. President International Society for Cancer Research, British Cancer Hospital.
But what does he know, he's only a doctor.

In closing, make sure your daughter gets her Gardasil vaccine.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 9:15 pm
Posted by UpToPar
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:10 pm to
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All fine and dandy until that 1 in whatever is YOUR child.. Then how would you feel? Giving your their stand point..Yeah, if the child dies from not getting a vaccine that would be pretty significant... But would you rather know that your child is in a much better place or would you rather be in a situation where you have to take care of your child for the next____years until you die because they aren't capable of caring for themselves?? Still their decision any way you look at it just like it's yours..



This entire argument is premised on studies that have been refuted.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 10:04 pm to
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All fine and dandy until that 1 in whatever is YOUR child.. Then how would you feel? Giving your their stand point..Yeah, if the child dies from not getting a vaccine that would be pretty significant... But would you rather know that your child is in a much better place or would you rather be in a situation where you have to take care of your child for the next____years until you die because they aren't capable of caring for themselves?? Still their decision any way you look at it just like it's yours..



Their science is incorrect, Jenny M should be executed as the result of all the dead children, and every single one of those parents prosecuted for infantcide.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 10:06 pm to
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The anti-vaccination crowd may piss me off more than any other main stream crowd in the United States. Even if they were right, and that rarely vaccinations would cause autism, the chances are significantly less of getting that than gettin a lethal disease that the vaccination is trying to make sure you don't get.



This is 100 percent how I feel.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 11:40 pm to
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You are the one claiming that the government is intentionally infecting people with deadly diseases.
No, the CDC is. LINK
Do you know what the word "intentionally" means?
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Because knowingly vaccinating 10-30 million people with a cancer-causing virus is insignificant.
The virus was not identified until 1960, at which point it was ordered that it be eliminated from the vaccines, which it was. This was done due to public concerns, even though the virus in the vaccines was inactive (due to the same process that inactivated the polio virus in the vaccine), and still to this day there is no strong evidence that SV40 causes cancer in humans. So, yeah, it was insignificant.
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Not according to the CDC..."some research results are conflicting and more studies are needed."

It's been 50 years, hundreds of millions of vaccinations later, millions of lives saved and tens of millions not paralyzed... and ZERO detectable increase in cancer rates attributable to SV40. So what the frick are you going on about?
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Ah, the old conspiracy theory card. I was wondering when you were going to pull that one out.
It's not a card for me to play. It's your whole deck.
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Here are the facts: SV40 was made illegal after it was discovered to be cancer-causing
It was discovered to cause cancer in some animals, not humans. It has still today not been shown to cause cancer in humans.
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yet they knowingly gave it to somewhere between 10-98 million Americans.
Why they did it is irrelevant in the context of this thread.
Why they did it is directly relevant in the context of this thread... they eradicated a disease, you dumb frick. SV40, and any other virus in the vaccine, were killed with formaldehyde.
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I'm pretty sure, however, that like everything else, it has to do with money.
So, was everybody supposed to put in all this work in eradicating a disease for free? Are the lives of millions of kids not worth the cost? Is that not a solid investment? What is your angle, man?
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"The chief, if not the sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination." - Dr. Robert Bell; V. President International Society for Cancer Research, British Cancer Hospital.
But what does he know, he's only a doctor.
So much wrong here. There is no "monstrous increase" in cancer. The majority of cancer rates have been pretty stable, and the ones that have increased are due to smoking and the fact that people are living longer these days, and they have to die of something. There is no "International Society for Cancer Research", nor is there a "British Cancer Hospital". They were both made up, and the doctor with the suspiciously common name likely was as well, in order to attach some sort of official voice to perpetuating this myth. You took it hook, line, and sinker.



I don't know whether to be sad or angry that I have to share this world with you, and people like you.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
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Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:22 am to
Those dots are larger than the size of some states. You could take the same data and make it look like there are hardly any cases.

I hate when people make BS charts. Scale is everything.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:43 am to
1) SV40 virus was discovered in 1960.
2) Federal law was passed in 1961 that required that no vaccines contain this cancer-causing virus.
3).The law did not require that SV40 contaminated vaccines be thrown away and known SV40 contaminated vaccines were injected into children up until 1963.

Not sure why you're mad at me that this happened.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:59 am to
He already explained why the information in your previous post is meaningless

I guess you just ignored it... Even though it was in the post you responded to
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 1:01 am
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 1/23/14 at 1:09 am to
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He already explained why the information in your previous post is meaningless
I guess we just see things differently.
Knowingly injecting children with a banned cancer-causing virus isn't meaningless to me.
But I guess that's where we differ.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:05 am to
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1) SV40 virus was discovered in 1960.
Yep
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2) Federal law was passed in 1961 that required that no vaccines contain this cancer-causing virus.
Okay
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3).The law did not require that SV40 contaminated vaccines be thrown away and known SV40 contaminated vaccines were injected into children up until 1963.
Yeah, because like I said, there is absolutely NO reason to believe it to be dangerous.
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Not sure why you're mad at me that this happened.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:14 am to
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I guess we just see things differently.
Yeah, we see things the right way, and you see things in some bizarro-world fricked up wrong way.
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Knowingly injecting children with a banned cancer-causing virus isn't meaningless to me.
Hey, check it out, did you know those vaccines had polio in them? Holy frick, man! They injected millions of people with the polio virus, on purpose! Also, a couple months ago, I thought I was getting a flu vaccine, but instead those motherfrickers put the flu virus in there!

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But I guess that's where we differ.

Yeah, you definitely are different. Unfortunately, there is no vaccine to help you.
Posted by lsufightingtigers1
Member since Nov 2010
109 posts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:24 am to
You seem to think that there is high chance the child dies if he doesn't take the vaccine. Even if he gets sick their is a not a likely hood that he dies.
Posted by lsufightingtigers1
Member since Nov 2010
109 posts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:36 am to
If you actually watched the news reporting on the vaccination issues, the top complaint was that the doctors insisted that there was nothing wrong with getting the vaccine when the child was sick. It is just not smart to but a disease into a child when his immune system is down,
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:50 am to
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Hey, check it out, did you know those vaccines had polio in them?
Yes I did.
I also know it had BANNED SV40 cancer-causing virus as well. And so did the government when it was injected into children.

Oh, BTW, from Wiki: "the technique used to inactivate the polio virus in the Salk vaccine, by means of formaldehyde, did not reliably kill SV40."

Ooops.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:14 am to
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Oh, BTW, from Wiki: "the technique used to inactivate the polio virus in the Salk vaccine, by means of formaldehyde, did not reliably kill SV40."
It killed most of it, though not all, and this was not discovered until later. It was strongly thought that SV40 would not be a problem for humans, and it was thought to have been killed anyway. Your belief that the government knowingly infected people with a cancer-causing virus is unfounded.

Also from Wiki:
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substantial epidemiological evidence has accumulated to indicate that SV40 likely does not cause cancer in humans
What this means is that the people who said SV40 was not a real threat to humans back then have been proven correct.

We have over a century of data that proves the effectiveness of vaccines. If there are significant negative effects (big "if"), they have yet to be proven. So, please, stop with the stupid anti-vaccine propaganda.
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