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re: The Tank Museum unveils the world’s only running Königstiger

Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:30 pm to
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Visiting The Tank Museum is definitely on my bucket list. —Where is it?


Southern England.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:30 pm to
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As a fighting force, I feel the Wehrmacht of the Second World War is vastly overrated.


lol.
Posted by Pfft
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:33 pm to
Oddball, this thing is a piece of crap! The fuel system is leaking all over!

There you go with them negative waves
Posted by WWII Collector
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:35 pm to
Yes... I saw their Facebook post about having both Tanks out at the same time.

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:37 pm to
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The Imperial German Army was arguably the best army of the modern era.


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What?


If you have another contender, I’m very willing to listen to your arguments. But in my over 40 years of deep and extensive study of military history ranging from pre-Roman times to today, I still contend the Imperial German Army, especially in 1914, was, in its time, arguably the best army of the 20th century.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:41 pm to
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If you have another contender, I’m very willing to listen to your arguments. But in my over 40 years of deep and extensive study of military history ranging from pre-Roman times to today, I still contend the Imperial German Army, especially in 1914, was, in its time, arguably the best army of the 20th century.


Do you mind cliff's notes for those genuinely interested?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:44 pm to
The King Tiger was awesome - when it worked. But, it was severely underpowered. And it's sheer size made it's mobility very limited. It was simply too big and heavy for many of the bridges in its operational areas.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:46 pm to
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As a fighting force, I feel the Wehrmacht of the Second World War is vastly overrated.


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lol


It’s not arguable that what the Wehrmacht achieved in WWII is nothing short of amazing. This is especially true when you look at the resources as its disposal compared to the resources available to its adversaries.

I’d still rank it behind the Imperial German Army though.
Posted by choppadocta
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:47 pm to
It's not the Tank Musem's vehicle. It actually owned by a French Arrmored museum, and was on loan for Tankfest 2025.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:49 pm to
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Do you mind cliff's notes for those genuinely interested?



Look at what they did from 1914-1918.

Through four years of war, they held their own on the Western Front against the two most powerful nations on the planet. At the same time, on the Eastern Front, they were winning victory after victory against the Russian Empire with one hand tied behind their back. They were constantly having to come to the aid of the Austro-Hungarian Empire because they absolutely sucked. This forced them to divert valuable resources away from the Western Front to sure up the Eastern Front. Unlike in World War II, however, the Germans actually beat the Russians.

Then, after defeating Russia, they diverted troops to the Italian Front (which had been a literal stalemate since 1915) and absolutely CRUSHED the Italian Army at the Battle of Caporetto. Had the United States not joined the war there is a distinct possibility that the First World War ends in a German victory. The British and French were absolutely exhausted after three and a half years of war. If not for American reinforcements in the German's Spring Offensive of 1918, there's a chance the Central Powers hold on and win.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:51 pm to
The American Army in 1944-45 was the greatest military force the world has ever seen - and it's not particularly close. It's technical capabilities, logistical support, medical care, mobility, firepower, communications and signals, reconnaissance...the entirety of its abilities have never been as overwhelming in respect to both its opponents and allies.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 9:56 pm to
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The American Army in 1944-45 was the greatest military force the world has ever seen


This.

I would rank the Imperial Germany Army of 1914 behind the U.S. Army of 1944-45 for the reasons he stated in his post. All around, from top to bottom, there has never been a more efficiently led and better equipped army with the 12th Army Group under General Omar Bradley being its poster child.
Posted by Pax Regis
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:11 pm to
Seeing that coming at you on a battlefield would most definitely suck.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:12 pm to
Thanks. I’ve been too involved with WW2 and haven’t spent much time researching WW1 outside of the most commonly known things.

What in your opinion made them such a force they they were able to do that?
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:16 pm to
Devil's advocate, If only they made them reliable
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:21 pm to
The Prussian General Staff and planning.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:28 pm to
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What in your opinion made them such a force they they were able to do that?



Well, first and foremost their General Staff was the envy of Europe at the time. They were highly professional and advanced purely on merit. Much like their descendants in the Second World War, junior officers and NCOs were trusted to show initiative in a decentralized command system. They were given this amount of trust because the Imperial German Army was a highly trained fighting force built upon a large reserve that could be mobilized rapidly. Their railroads were heavily militarized and meticulously planned, which enabled them to mobilize and concentrate their vast reserves faster and more efficiently than any rival power. They were also technologically and doctrinally sound. Their heavy artillery was efficient at reducing the most powerful forts in Europe while their field artillery was both well-coordinated and organized. Their defensive firepower, particularly with the machine gun, stymied the British and the French on the Western Front for the better part of four years.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 10:30 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:44 pm to
Best army is USA

Not the best tech
Not the best men

The success of the US army is for every person on the battlefield, 19 people support and supply them.

Forget the German military man who spoke on how he knew they had lost the war. They blew the hell out of a US airfield and by the next morning the US had rebuilt it. The best army is useless if in the field it can not be rearmed and resupplied.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:48 pm to
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Should be on the tank museum


Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 11:51 pm to
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Indeed. Though they are beautiful vehicles. They had many, many drawbacks. Their armor was almost invincible to most Allied guns. While their 8.8 cm main gun could, and did, kill Allied and Soviet tanks with ease. But they were a nightmare to maintain. Their powertrain was inadequate for their size, leading to frequent breakdowns.


My understanding is that they had a very slow firing rate compared to a Sherman.
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