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re: The Rubicon of Good vs Evil has been crossed

Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:05 am to
Just be present, focused on well being of your kids, teach them and give them room to figure out this big world we are in, and instill family and respect of others’ values.

And beware of the political commercial apparatus that creates frenzied division. Don’t be a victim of this apparatus. IMO, “Rubicon” thinking lives there.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1701 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:12 am to
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work on getting back to just being a decent society in general.


I'm willing to bet the vast majority of violent criminals aren't card carrying Republicans, so there's that.
Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
186 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:12 am to
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Just be present, focused on well being of your kids, teach them and give them room to figure out this big world we are in, and instill family and respect of others’ values.


But there are others' values that are inherently wrong and we need to make sure our children know that. For example- if one of their classmates spews trans ideology then they need to know that that is completely false and wrong. I believe we have to get past respecting our peoples values when they are categorically false.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7822 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:15 am to
Yes I have as have you it's not uncommon. Come on man this is exactly what I'm talking about. You are arguing with me to paint your beliefs as the superior one. When challenged with it your solution is to deny deny deny. Even if I was to go find these examples your next step would be to get into a semantics war over it.

and that is why we are here. too many people have dug their heels in and are going "Me good, Them bad" on both sides of the aisle and it has further widened the crack.

There is no one side better than the other. Everyone group/religion/political party has a range from really good stand up people all the way to dangerous radicals. None are immune to it. Let's try to stop hating each other because we think we are 100% right about our beliefs. We are all just trying to survive and do our best at the end of the day. we can do it without hate.
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
1424 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:16 am to
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I believe we have to get past respecting our peoples values when they are categorically false.


I love summer. I hate winter.

I live in a world with 4 seasons.

I don’t agree with winter. I respect winter. I do warm things in winter.

I have never shot at a snowman, and a snowman has never shot at me.

This is not a mutually exclusive cross road. However, Rubicon thinking is. Good luck with that!

(Mediocre analogy, but I’m between mtgs - best I got rt now)
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 10:18 am
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85731 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:18 am to
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There is no one side better than the other. Everyone group/religion/political party has a range from really good stand up people all the way to dangerous radicals. None are immune to it. Let's try to stop hating each other because we think we are 100% right about our beliefs. We are all just trying to survive and do our best at the end of the day. we can do it without hate.



Why should people with vastly different ideologies live under the same roof?
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9447 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:18 am to
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Meh. You can go outside, hunt and shite while be cognizant of the fact that a large part of our country hates you and wants you dead.


Some post right here, too.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7822 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:18 am to
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I'm willing to bet the vast majority of violent criminals aren't card carrying Republicans, so there's that.


Yeah because the vast majority of violent criminals aren't card carrying democrats either. Violent criminals can't vote why would they be registered to any political party or care about politics at all. They have already decided to live outside the law and you think they have political affiliations?
Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
186 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:21 am to
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Yes I have as have you it's not uncommon. Come on man this is exactly what I'm talking about. You are arguing with me to paint your beliefs as the superior one. When challenged with it your solution is to deny deny deny. Even if I was to go find these examples your next step would be to get into a semantics war over it.

and that is why we are here. too many people have dug their heels in and are going "Me good, Them bad" on both sides of the aisle and it has further widened the crack.

There is no one side better than the other. Everyone group/religion/political party has a range from really good stand up people all the way to dangerous radicals. None are immune to it. Let's try to stop hating each other because we think we are 100% right about our beliefs. We are all just trying to survive and do our best at the end of the day. we can do it without hate.


I know with every single cell in my body that my beliefs are correct. Biblical teaching is the ONLY truth. I'm not forcing you to believe what I believe, and I don't hate you if you believe differently from me. If you believe anything other than Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life then you are completely wrong and thats your choice.
Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
186 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:23 am to
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I love summer. I hate winter.

I live in a world with 4 seasons.

I don’t agree with winter. I respect winter. I do warm things in winter.

I have never shot at a snowman, and a snowman has never shot at me.

This is not a mutually exclusive cross road. However, Rubicon thinking is. Good luck with that!

(Mediocre analogy, but I’m between mtgs - best I got rt now)


Not sure where you're going here and how any of those things represent your or someone else's values.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7822 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:31 am to
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I know with every single cell in my body that my beliefs are correct. Biblical teaching is the ONLY truth. I'm not forcing you to believe what I believe, and I don't hate you if you believe differently from me. If you believe anything other than Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life then you are completely wrong and thats your choice.


You have said over and over again in this thread that the only solution is to force your religion on people. Even going so far as to state you should be able to tell other peoples children their beliefs are wrong if your child happens to hear them in school.

but yeah you are not for "forcing" anything. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth there bud.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104055 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:36 am to
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The rest of us simply move about and associate with people of all kinds of political beliefs and nobody gives a shite. 


More to the point, nobody knows what anybody's political beliefs are because it doesn't come up. I know statistically speaking most people I encounter IRL voted for Trump because of the demographics of the area. But unless I straight up ask them they're unlikely to bring it up.

Then I come on here and find people who base their entire worldview on politics, down to which entertainers and sports figures they do or don't like.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
70776 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:37 am to
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More to the point, nobody knows what anybody's political beliefs are because it doesn't come up


Anybody who's identity is tied to politics is someone I do my best to not associate with.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
13017 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:37 am to
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I have held my tongue
Me too but since you started what should we be preaching?

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Good vs Evil has been crossed
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JoylessMurderball

Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
1424 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:39 am to
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Not sure where you're going here and how any of those things represent your or someone else's values.


It’s not about summer or winter. It’s about summer and winter. Can enjoy / live this very short life that God gave you without featuring / centralizing the differences between us (seasons).

Fear the fear that the commercial political division machine creates. Rather, live your life / values. Defend them if threatened. Not necessary to pit against anyone.

It can be done.

No rubicons.
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
3923 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:41 am to
45 downvotes tell you all you need to know about our society.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68711 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:42 am to
There is one collection of mentally deranged, Godless losers who would seem to need your condescension more than the people of the OT.

Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
186 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:44 am to
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You have said over and over again in this thread that the only solution is to force your religion on people. Even going so far as to state you should be able to tell other peoples children their beliefs are wrong if your child happens to hear them in school.

but yeah you are not for "forcing" anything. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth there bud.


Bud. I think the only thing that can save this world is if people teach THEIR OWN CHILDREN in biblical values. I never said I would tell another child their views are wrong, but I did say I want my children to know what values are right and wrong. I would also be perfectly okay with my child telling someone spewing trans ideology that they are wrong to their face. I want my child to have the confidence in who they are and what they know to be right. I pray every night that I do a good enough job where they will have the courage to do the right thing and stand by their values always.
Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
186 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:47 am to
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Good vs Evil has been crossed
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JoylessMurderball



Lol. My screen name is what people labeled the early Alabama teams with Nick Saban when they would just impose their will on teams. Just a sports reference.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
27892 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:49 am to
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No, it hasn't. Get off the internet. Put the phone down, look around.

Yall are consuming too much bad news. Im not advocating anyone ignore any of it, but yall need to maintain feel for the real world in your immediate vicinity.


Social media is the real world now. .
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 6:18 pm
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