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re: The Red Stick Trolley flopped, so let's try a Tram!!!
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:45 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:45 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Monorail from Br to Nola
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:46 pm to doubleb
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The question is it worth the expense and could it be better spent elsewhere or on something else.
History says absolutely not and at least Uncle Sam is willing to help pay for this particular project.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:49 pm to TheCaterpillar
So we have no better use of 34(or more) million dollars than to build a Tram from LSU to Downtown?
Who decided that?
Oh and FWIW the "expert" says history says it won't be fully utilized.
Who decided that?
Oh and FWIW the "expert" says history says it won't be fully utilized.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:50 pm to doubleb
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So we have no better use of 34(or more) million dollars than to build a Tram from LSU to Downtown?
Who decided that?
I didn't say that.
I said history shows that they would probably spend it on a golden statue of Malcolm X to be put in the median of Florida Blvd.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:51 pm to TheCaterpillar
Where are you trying to park downtown?? I have never had issues and the massive parking lot on river road is always open
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:52 pm to TheCaterpillar
Sorry, I read that wrong.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:54 pm to Ed Osteen
And you still have to pay for it and leave your car there overnight after you get drunk.
And get a ticket if you don't pay for enough hours.
And Riverside Towing lurking everywhere.
ETA:
But yeah, its still WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than parking at LSU.
And get a ticket if you don't pay for enough hours.
And Riverside Towing lurking everywhere.
ETA:
But yeah, its still WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than parking at LSU.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:57 pm to doubleb
people supporting the tram keep going back to the need to connect lsu with downtown so people can go to the bars. are there any other reasons besides that ridiculous one?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:57 pm to TheCaterpillar
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at least Uncle Sam is willing to help pay for this particular project.
Not blasting you, but there's a whole lot loaded into this statement.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:59 pm to T
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people supporting the tram keep going back to the need to connect lsu with downtown so people can go to the bars. are there any other reasons besides that ridiculous one?
You're right. Bar patronage is not nearly enough volume to make the line remotely profitable.
I don't think a lot of people realize how much daily and consistent people traffic you need for these things not to be awful money pits.
The trains have to run constantly so people will deem them reliable, therefore they must run when people likely won't use them unless usage is also high at those times.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:59 pm to T
Connecting downtown parking and hotels with LSU sporting events.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:00 pm to lsu2006
unless I worked downtown, I wouldn't have much interest in throwing that kind of money away on renting something.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:01 pm to kingbob
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Connecting downtown parking and hotels with LSU sporting events.
Still not enough volume IMO. Trams will be running on something like a 5AM(morning) to 3AM(post bar closing) sort of schedule everyday of the week close to 365 days a year, right? That leaves about 90% of the times left where you need nice high passenger loads.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:03 pm to Deactived
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Downtown is THE destination for the residents of Central, Baker, Zachary, and Denham Springs and some of the north baton rouge.
This is just flat wrong, Downtown BR is filled with young professionals that live in Midcity and the Garden District.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:06 pm to Ed Osteen
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Who is this new idea supposed to be targeting?
It's targeting the donors and supporters of politicians who will benefit from getting public contracts to build the stupid thing.
Period. It isn't any more complicated than that. It's cheaper to buy light rail users Toyota Priuses than to build and operate the light rail, period. Everywhere it's been tried - particularly publicly funded ones.
If it was an old, densely populated city like NYC or even Washington, D.C. which was designed, developed and grew before the automobile, then maybe. And park and ride CAN work if it's culturally accepted and the city is pedestrian friendly (I'm thinking San Francisco). But, the subway barely works in L.A. and their traffic is a huge push factor to public transportion, plus they have more than enough population to support it.
At least the streetcars in New Orleans have a historical basis, some minimal public transportation value to some areas of the city and support the tourist industry.
In BR, it will draw hood rats and problems, do so expensively and ultimately have to be heavily subsidized by folks not using it for the handful of folks who do. Another example of "feel good" wealth redistribution, with the added bonus of enriching politicians friends and donors (thus indirectly enriching the politicians themselves or at least their campaigns if not outright crooked themselves).
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:09 pm to doubleb
The master plan started during the Mike Foster administration when they consolidated the state agencies downtown, Spanish Town began being gentrified, LSU expanded Tiger Stadium, and BR began promoting festivals downtown.
In the early 2000s, LSU began a slew of housing improvements while downtown built office towers, gentrified Beauregard Town, and began promoting bars on 3rd street.
In the late 2000s, the bars started taking off and dining became more prevalent, so they started building hotels. LSU renovated the basketball stadium, built a new baseball stadium, and built tons of brand new dorms. They also began fixing up the area north of campus on highland. BR also started improving the sewer plant by Gardere so they could close the one south of downtown.
Now, in the mid 2010s, LSU is building up the area north of campus on Nicholson by bulldozing the old married student housing. Downtown has the hotels so they're building condos and lofts. The sewer improvements are almost done. Now, the plan is launching to connect the two areas with non-stop development and a rail system to make them walkable.
After this is done, the next target will be midcity or "downtown east" to bridge the gap between Circa 1857 and downtown.
In the early 2000s, LSU began a slew of housing improvements while downtown built office towers, gentrified Beauregard Town, and began promoting bars on 3rd street.
In the late 2000s, the bars started taking off and dining became more prevalent, so they started building hotels. LSU renovated the basketball stadium, built a new baseball stadium, and built tons of brand new dorms. They also began fixing up the area north of campus on highland. BR also started improving the sewer plant by Gardere so they could close the one south of downtown.
Now, in the mid 2010s, LSU is building up the area north of campus on Nicholson by bulldozing the old married student housing. Downtown has the hotels so they're building condos and lofts. The sewer improvements are almost done. Now, the plan is launching to connect the two areas with non-stop development and a rail system to make them walkable.
After this is done, the next target will be midcity or "downtown east" to bridge the gap between Circa 1857 and downtown.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:09 pm to Deactived
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Downtown is THE destination for the residents of Central, Baker, Zachary, and Denham Springs and some of the north baton rouge.
granted I haven't spent as much time downtown as I used to, I don't think this is an accurate statement at all.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:12 pm to TU Rob
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Definitely. Northerner in large cities are so accustomed to public transit. The South just wasn't built that way. I've seen very few southern cities do it well. MARTA is about the only one that has been running for a long time.
MARTA is 'doing it well'? It essentially makes a bit cross, across the city. People may use it some but it's certainly not a well designed system. I have a buddy who went to GA Tech in the late 90s, he said the joke was that MARTA stood for Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:16 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Still not enough volume IMO. Trams will be running on something like a 5AM(morning) to 3AM(post bar closing) sort of schedule everyday of the week close to 365 days a year, right? That leaves about 90% of the times left where you need nice high passenger loads.
it will be a money pit. i think that is kind of a given.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 1:16 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Commuters to jobs downtown will take it from 7-9. Lunch crowd will take it from 11-2 happy hour and commuters will take it from 4-7. Dinner crowd from 6-9. Barflys from 9-3. That leaves it being under-utilized from 3-7am, 9-11am, 2-4pm, and from 8-10pm, just like every other mass transit system in existence. It will be busy half of the time, and not busy half the time. I want to see if the use studies will show that the half the time when it is busy will make enough revenue to support the other half when it is not.
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