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re: The Red Stick Trolley flopped, so let's try a Tram!!!
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:45 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:45 am to NYNolaguy1
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People just are comfortable driving their cars where they want to go rather than sharing it with random people off the street.
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:45 am to kingbob
i hit up huey's, roux house, and draft house when downtown. I'm over 21 lsu student and like you said if I'm staying in tigerland it's either fred's or bogies. Anywhere else is full of 17-18 year olds.
This guys doesn't realize that there are other bars besides City Bar and 1913. You can go downtown and not have to go fist pump with the champs of the LP and AP
This guys doesn't realize that there are other bars besides City Bar and 1913. You can go downtown and not have to go fist pump with the champs of the LP and AP
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:47 am to Deactived
A couple friends live downtown now and several more want to. My uncle used to live downtown. I would live downtown if I could afford it. I work downtown. I frequently attend events and festivals downtown. I see what's going on around me. I'm not willfully ignorant like yourself.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:48 am to kingbob
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A couple friends live downtown now and several more want to.
My cousin just moved into the Commerce Building. Place is INSANE and honestly the rent is pretty reasonable considering the amenities.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:49 am to kingbob
The article I linked questioned mass transit in small, metro areas but you and others believe BR is going to defy the odds? Why BR? Why will it work here and not elsewhere? And why now do you believe Downtown and LSU have so much in common that they need a Tram to connect the two?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:51 am to NYNolaguy1
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People just are comfortable driving their cars where they want to go rather than sharing it with random people off the street.
There is truth to that, but I think there are two other factors at play in BR.
1) Taking a tram that is not part of a broader network means that it is only good for days when you don't need to go anywhere else.
2) People here are used to the freedom that a car offers. No need to time a bus or train schedule. You just hop in your car and go where you want when you want.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:51 am to lsu2006
I'm hoping that when my SO and I are ready to buy a home that we can find one with a backyard between North and Spain at an affordable price.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:53 am to MikeBRLA
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Can you blame us? Have you seen the people here
The real root of the issue.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:56 am to kingbob
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This. Downtown is basically just waking up after its long (post happy-hour nap) at 10. The main demand for transportation for barflys is between 10 and 2 so they can get there, get plastered, and get home safe without getting a dui.
The restaurant crowd is picking up. Stroube's had a nice crowd Saturday night. The Village is usually crowded on weekends. Other places appear like they are drawing a crowd. I know Tsunami's does, but its not my kind of place.
Street parking is tough. Garages are available, but people don't like garages here. Some use them, we do not unless we have to. I don't mind walking a little extra.
440 main is open, Commerce is open, IBM is open and other construction is evident.
Downtown is making a nice showing and hopefully it will continue, but none of this is because of mass transit. None.
And if Downtown has to rely soley on the bar business, it will not make it. That needs to be part of things, but not the number one thing.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:58 am to kingbob
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'm hoping that when my SO and I are ready to buy a home that we can find one with a backyard between North and Spain at an affordable price.
I had an aunt that lived between North and Spain o 6th street. Family gave up the house, can't help you here. LOL
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:59 am to kingbob
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First of all, this was discussed at length last week. Second, busses fail because they are slow, unreliable, and share the same lanes with cars thereby making them an absolutely inferior option to owning and driving one's own car in every possible respect absent cost. Third, population density is key to the success of any mass transit plan. One needs to be able to conveniently walk to and from their starting point, destination, and transit stops. In spread out areas (like most of Baton Rouge) it makes using mass transit a massive pain in the arse only to be endured by those lacking literally any other option. Forth, mass transit can be useful, but only if it does not suffer from the same restraints as cars and easily connects riders from where they are to where they want to go with minimal delay relative to driving one's own vehicle in minimal traffic conditions. And can save them time in heavy traffic conditions. Fifth: young people like to be able to go drink at bars without driving due to the dangers with doing so, the inconvenience of finding a dd, the inconsistency and expense of taxi cabs, and threat of dui's. If it's convenient, relatively inexpensive, reliable, and safe, they will use it for their nights out. This tram connects the two most densely populated areas of town together while running through the third most dense area of town assuming the planned developments take off. It would conveniently serve the largest populations of young drinkers as well as people without cars in the region. If properly designed, it could avoid the issues busses have. It would connect the large parking infrastructure to a massive tourist attraction which lacks parking (LSU). It's at least worth further inquiry. The bond allows for that by unlocking the next level of studies and federal monies.
Spot on. Mass transit will likely never catch on here unless we see really high gas prices like in Europe. Somewhere in the $4-5 range.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:02 pm to doubleb
I don't think mass transit in BR in general will define the odds on account of it being non-walker friendly and spread out, but this project could if properly executed (though I doubt it would be).
Downtown has the highest concentration of bars, parking, jobs, and hotels while being the most pedestrian friendly area of town.
LSU has the densest concentration of bar patrons and people without cars as well as tourist attractions and sporting venues while being the second most walkable area of town.
The area in between is exploding with development, and could become the third most densely populated and 4th most walkable as long as it could be made safe.
Tourists and business travelers want to stay downtown and go to LSU without using a car. Sports fans want to watch a game and then go out to bars without getting stuck in traffic, risking a dui, and losing their parking spot. People working downtown who don't have 3 kids will want to live and work in and around downtown, so not needing to drive (and park) will be a major convenience. Many college students and grad students work part time downtown. Students drink downtown but hate dealing with parking hassles or duis.
Finally, this is just the first step of a larger network which will include a midcity line along govt street and a commuter rail to New Orleans.
It's not rocket science.
Downtown has the highest concentration of bars, parking, jobs, and hotels while being the most pedestrian friendly area of town.
LSU has the densest concentration of bar patrons and people without cars as well as tourist attractions and sporting venues while being the second most walkable area of town.
The area in between is exploding with development, and could become the third most densely populated and 4th most walkable as long as it could be made safe.
Tourists and business travelers want to stay downtown and go to LSU without using a car. Sports fans want to watch a game and then go out to bars without getting stuck in traffic, risking a dui, and losing their parking spot. People working downtown who don't have 3 kids will want to live and work in and around downtown, so not needing to drive (and park) will be a major convenience. Many college students and grad students work part time downtown. Students drink downtown but hate dealing with parking hassles or duis.
Finally, this is just the first step of a larger network which will include a midcity line along govt street and a commuter rail to New Orleans.
It's not rocket science.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:24 pm to kingbob
It's not rocket science to look at other comparable areas to see that mass transit isn't a solution.
You also keep repeating that the area is booming, but it's not booming because of the Tram. It's booming because two big economic entities are pushing development at LSU and at the River District. LSU and BRAF are pushing things South of downtown.
The Tram will be built. The push is too big, I just hope it's not too big of a flop.
You also keep repeating that the area is booming, but it's not booming because of the Tram. It's booming because two big economic entities are pushing development at LSU and at the River District. LSU and BRAF are pushing things South of downtown.
The Tram will be built. The push is too big, I just hope it's not too big of a flop.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:31 pm to doubleb
It's all going according to plan. BRAF and LSU have been pushing these developments for 20 years all with a goal in mind. Much of their plan has been realized with the renaissance of downtown and the improvements to campus area housing. Now comes the hard part, tying the two regions together. This has been the plan all along.
These developments were planned with the idea of the tram in mind.
Will it succeed? I doubt it, because Louisiana has an exemplary talent for taking even the best of situations and turning them into chickenshit through graft, corruption, and blatant stupidity.
However, I can still dream of a better Louisiana. I can still strive to make Baton Rouge a legit small city.
These developments were planned with the idea of the tram in mind.
Will it succeed? I doubt it, because Louisiana has an exemplary talent for taking even the best of situations and turning them into chickenshit through graft, corruption, and blatant stupidity.
However, I can still dream of a better Louisiana. I can still strive to make Baton Rouge a legit small city.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:36 pm to doubleb
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You also keep repeating that the area is booming, but it's not booming because of the Tram.
I don't recall him ever saying the boom is because of the tram. I think he's saying the tram at least has some potential to not be a massive failure due to the boom(s).
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:38 pm to lsu2006
It has been said here and elsewhere that the Tram would lead to a boom in the traversed area. I'm just pointing out its already booming and it's not because of the Tram.
Do you disagree?
Do you disagree?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:40 pm to doubleb
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It has been said here and elsewhere that the Tram would lead to a boom in the traversed area.
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Do you disagree?
Honestly not sure how to answer the question. I can't imagine it would hurt matters. The areas are already booming and the tram (if done properly and not all Louisiana-y) could benefit all areas involved, I believe.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:42 pm to kingbob
20 years in the making?
Err I don't think so. More like last ten or twelve years.
Err I don't think so. More like last ten or twelve years.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:43 pm to doubleb
The areas at each end were already booming, thus making a tram more practical. The assertion is that the area in between would be gentrified in part due to the tram. You counter saying it was already booming without the tram. I say that all of these developments were planned with a tram in mind.
The river district is waiting to build dependent on there being a tram. The tram makes many of those not yet started developments seem much more sustainable. The tram helps keep the boom going while the booming makes the tram more practical.
It goes both ways.
The river district is waiting to build dependent on there being a tram. The tram makes many of those not yet started developments seem much more sustainable. The tram helps keep the boom going while the booming makes the tram more practical.
It goes both ways.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 12:44 pm to lsu2006
No doubt it would be a benefit to the area. The question is it worth the expense and could it be better spent elsewhere or on something else.
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