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re: The Red Army stumbled upon Auschwitz 80 years ago today...
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:15 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:15 am to RollTide1987
Almost finished reading Gulag Archipelago. What the Nazis did was comparative child's play, possibly outdoing the Soviets only in direct boldness (the gas chambers as opposed to drawn out starvation alone) unique to such a scientific and matter of fact german personality.
Patton was right: we should have continued driving right through their motherland and freed the russians from their marxist overlords. Instead, the allies turned over swarms of defected Russians to their doom.
Patton was right: we should have continued driving right through their motherland and freed the russians from their marxist overlords. Instead, the allies turned over swarms of defected Russians to their doom.
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:30 am to RollTide1987
And this is what CNN MSNBC compare the US President to.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:50 am to Breadstick Gun
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Breadstick Gun
Thanks for sharing those. You can feel the gravity of pain in them.
Do they charge people to go in the camps as a tourist?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:59 am to RollTide1987
It is still amazing how cruel the Germans got.
I guess there was a time in America after 9/11 some could go the same route against Muslims, but I doubt we could ever reach that German level of cruelty.
I guess there was a time in America after 9/11 some could go the same route against Muslims, but I doubt we could ever reach that German level of cruelty.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:05 am to Barbellthor
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Patton was right: we should have continued driving right through their motherland and freed the russians from their marxist overlords. Instead, the allies turned over swarms of defected Russians to their doom.
How many of us wouldn't be here today if our fathers and grandfathers were killed invading Eastern Europe and Russia....
It was 1945, the US was sick of war. People like Patton don't care though, war is all they know.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:46 am to sportsaddit68
Had an opportunity to tour Auschwitz but elected not to. Just didn't feel like I wanted to see where that much vile death had taken place.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:51 am to Haplochrom
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I do wonder why any group hell bent on extinction of a race would take the time to tattoo them or spend the money to cut their hair. Why give them prison uniforms? Why provide them with razors for shaving?
Because that is not what happened. Originally, there was no plan to exterminate them. They were being put in concentration camps to remove them from the general population and to make them work as slaves. So everything you list is well explained.
Only gradually did the Nazis settle on a Final Solution, and that was a secret. Not everyone was told about that. Eventually most people knew, but the supply chain and procurement of razors, and so forth, were kept in the dark as lond as possible.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:52 am to Breadstick Gun
You know almost all of that was built after the war, right? Auschwitz was almost completely bombed out by the end of it.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:53 am to GetCocky11
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It was 1945, the US was sick of war. People like Patton don't care though, war is all they know.
Correct.
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How many of us wouldn't be here today if our fathers and grandfathers were killed invading Eastern Europe and Russia....
Possibly me. Also, how many more tens or hundreds of millions across the world would be alive had we done so? And the scourge and confidence of global communism may have crumbled then and there. We would likely be much less negatively affected today by our ANTIFA and other Marxist revolutionaries daily causing destruction in the streets and rotting our institutions.
Communism (and its other names) is the greatest institutional scourge to ever grace the human race.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:55 am to DarthRebel
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I guess there was a time in America after 9/11 some could go the same route against Muslims, but I doubt we could ever reach that German level of cruelty.
I mean, nearly 25 years later and there's probably still a very significant contingent that would fully support extermination of muslims/islam.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:55 am to blueboy
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You know almost all of that was built after the war, right? Auschwitz was almost completely bombed out by the end of it.
Correct
The "smoke stack" was erected in 1954 - by the Soviets
All "death camps" were peculiarly liberated by the Soviet Army
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:56 am to GetCocky11
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People like Patton don't care though, war is all they know.
On your first point, I agree. Stalin considered going further himself, but his own army was far more exhausted and much of his troop strength only existed on paper.
You are grossly ignorant of who Patton was and what he cared about. Read more, jump to soundbite conclusions less.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:01 am to TigerHornII
I still think the Japanese were worse in WW2
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:01 am to Barbellthor
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Communism (and its other names) is the greatest institutional scourge to ever grace the human race.
The greatest injustice of modern history teaching is that the Holomodor, the gulags, and the Japanese atrocities in the East don't get equal billing with the Holocaust. We know about the Holocaust because first Patton, then Eisenhower, made touring the camps mandatory for US troops in theater. The US Jewish community rightly made sure it was publicized widely.
There was no one to speak for the victims in the USSR, and many who could have spoken for Japan's victims in the East would be among the millions silenced by Mao.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:05 am to nicholastiger
"Zone of Interest". I've posted about it before. Saw it here in Germany, 7 people in the theater. 2 left, wife was crying. Nothing explicit but very disturbing watching the German family living normal lives separated by a wall from the horror. Highly recommend it, but it's not a fun watch at all. The father of a very good friend I met when I first came over was in the Waffen SS fighting the partisans in the Balkans. One of the kindest, funniest men I've ever encountered. Hard to explain what people are capable of. (Note: not standing up for what they did, at all. Human behavior is an enigma sometimes)
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:06 am to RollTide1987
My wife's (no pics) grandmother and great-aunt were the only survivors of a family of seven to leave the Jasenovac concentration camp in Yugoslavia. The camp was run by the Ustaše, Croatian collaborators with the Nazis. At the time of their liberation by Yugoslav partisans in 1945, she was at the Stara Gradiška subcamp of Jasenovac.
Her grandmother never spoke of her experiences. Not to her children or anyone else. The little that was told to them came in her grandmother's final days before she passed from cancer, and from some research done after her death.
Her grandmother never spoke of her experiences. Not to her children or anyone else. The little that was told to them came in her grandmother's final days before she passed from cancer, and from some research done after her death.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:20 am to Penrod
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Only gradually did the Nazis settle on a Final Solution, and that was a secret. Not everyone was told about that. Eventually most people knew, but the supply chain and procurement of razors, and so forth, were kept in the dark as lond as possible.
And that wasn't even Hitler's "idea"
Himmler basically wrote a vaguely worded letter to Reinhard Heydrich who took it as permission to start killing them by the score.
Granted, the medical experiments and disposing of the sick and weak had already been going on for a while, but Heydrich sort of took it upon himself to architect the final solution, and the attitude of his superiors was basically this was your idea, not ours, but your idea is sufficient.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:31 am to GetCocky11
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People like Patton don't care though, war is all they know.
Patton turned his troops on WW1 veterans, read about the bonus army.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:31 am to GetCocky11
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People like Patton don't care though, war is all they know.
Patton turned his troops on American WW1 veterans, read about the bonus army.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:31 am to Barbellthor
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Possibly me. Also, how many more tens or hundreds of millions across the world would be alive had we done so? And the scourge and confidence of global communism may have crumbled then and there. We would likely be much less negatively affected today by our ANTIFA and other Marxist revolutionaries daily causing destruction in the streets and rotting our institutions.
So easy to say now in 2024. In 1945, Private Barbellthor would've been "frick the Russians, I want to go home"
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