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The post pandemic economy is just different and old models/expectations don't work
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:54 am
Employers are too scared to lay off significant amount of employees after the mid/post pandemic rehiring bonanza with the runaway salaries and under experienced new hires filling roles. Therefore old world "recessions" are not the same as current virtual full employment recessions.
Fed funds decisions are virtually baked in many months before they happens and with the amount of information available "the market" (consumers, companies, traders etc) adjust much faster than in the previous generations.
There is a much smaller "middle class" these days and the "K shaped" economy just keeps getting more K shaped. And the bottom portion of the K means less and less to the economy and the upper portion of the case means more and more.
Historical Ultra low mortgage rates have thrown a major monkey wrench in consumers expectations for the housing market. We will likely not see a 2007-2008 type real estate market tank yet everyone keeps waiting for it. Meanwhile the price of housing continues to become more unaffordable.
The list goes on
Fed funds decisions are virtually baked in many months before they happens and with the amount of information available "the market" (consumers, companies, traders etc) adjust much faster than in the previous generations.
There is a much smaller "middle class" these days and the "K shaped" economy just keeps getting more K shaped. And the bottom portion of the K means less and less to the economy and the upper portion of the case means more and more.
Historical Ultra low mortgage rates have thrown a major monkey wrench in consumers expectations for the housing market. We will likely not see a 2007-2008 type real estate market tank yet everyone keeps waiting for it. Meanwhile the price of housing continues to become more unaffordable.
The list goes on
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:55 am to sidewalkside
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Employers are too scared to lay off significant amount of employees
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:58 am to sidewalkside
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There is a much smaller "middle class" these days and the "K shaped" economy just keeps getting more K shaped. And the bottom portion of the K means less and less to the economy and the upper portion of the case means more and more.
Stop this right now.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:00 pm to sidewalkside
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with the runaway salaries
It was only considered runaway to the people with equity.
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:10 pm to sidewalkside
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Employers are too scared to lay off significant amount of employees
Trust me. They are not scared to lay people off.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:29 pm to frequent flyer
quote:never said they were....i said they were scared to layoff "significant" amount of employees. They will layoff much more surgically than they have in the past
Trust me. They are not scared to lay people off.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:30 pm to Jcorye1
quote:those were the people who mattered the most
people with equity.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:33 pm to sidewalkside
I didn’t read the wall of text, but the title is true. It fundamentally changed the workplace. Those who are adapting and accepting are doing better.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:40 pm to sidewalkside
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There is a much smaller "middle class" these days and the "K shaped" economy just keeps getting more K shaped. And the bottom portion of the K means less and less to the economy and the upper portion of the case means more and more.
You’re looking at the graph wrong if you believe this
The y axis is “how much you make” and the x axis is “how good your life is”
Basically people that make more than a billion and people that don’t work eat steak and lobster every night and have the best healthcare
Everybody else is screwed
ETA: but yes it is k shaped
The middle of the k is like 70-100k because they have no real purchasing power, get taxed at like 30% and don’t qualify for a government check
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:50 pm to sidewalkside
2020 and 2021 fricked us over permanently.
This is what happens when you listen to pseudo scientists and politicians and ignore economics.
This is what happens when you listen to pseudo scientists and politicians and ignore economics.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:52 pm to sidewalkside
Dear diary.
Do you actually have a point?
Do you actually have a point?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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2020 and 2021 fricked us over permanently.
This is what happens when you listen to pseudo scientists and politicians and ignore economics.
Amen.
And remember, inflation is just transitory.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 1:38 pm to sidewalkside
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We will likely not see a 2007-2008 type real estate market tank yet everyone keeps waiting for it
Disagree there. Over 500,000 more sellers than buyers. Buyers can't afford. That means only 2 things can happen: nobody sells their house if prices stay the same, or they meet market price demand. If someone puts their house up for sale, that means they want to sell. It's not like buying. I've looked at houses and just held off. If you're listing, it means you need to get out and will not likely just keep it absurdly high.
Just doesn't make sense to stay as is. You can sell microwaves on Ebay for $5,000, but doesn't mean anyone is gonna buy. At some point you have to meet where the consumers can afford.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 1:39 pm to sidewalkside
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those were the people who mattered the most
Tough to have labor if you don't want to pay for it.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 1:44 pm to el Gaucho
Oppsie daisy
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 1:47 pm to sidewalkside
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.i said they were scared to layoff "significant" amount of employees
Except, they're not scared to do it, and have done it repeatedly, and I'm not even counting internal re-shoring.
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layoff much more surgically
Except, they're not.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 2:02 pm to Saunson69
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Disagree there. Over 500,000 more sellers than buyers. Buyers can't afford. That means only 2 things can happen: nobody sells their house if prices stay the same, or they meet market price demand. If someone puts their house up for sale, that means they want to sell. It's not like buying. I've looked at houses and just held off. If you're listing, it means you need to get out and will not likely just keep it absurdly high.
it is kind of a game of chicken. Sellers are more often than not also buyers so they can't take a bath on their house and still be in the market for another. Especially at a higher rate than they likely have. I imagine a lot of the listing out there are just tossing bait and hoping for a bite
A big difference from 08 is that people are sitting on a property for a lot longer than they used to.
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Between 2000 – 2009, the average homeownership duration was only about four-to-five years. It was too short to build real wealth. As of 2025, the average homeownership tenure has risen to roughly 12-13 years according to First American Data & Analytics and Redfin.
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In the 1980s to the early 2000s, the average homeowner tended to stay in their home for around 5-6 years.
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