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re: The Pike was the standard Infantry weapon for over 1,000 years.

Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:32 pm to
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:32 pm to
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Petards


No need for insults
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 11:22 pm to
Would you please link that chart? I'd like to have that saved on my computer.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:38 am to
I'll do you better

Chart





This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 1:40 am
Posted by UncleRuckus
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:46 am to
I’ve been to Pikes Peak. Saw a monk there.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:31 am to
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I’ve been to Pikes Peak. Saw a monk there.
I’ve climbed Fort Pike.

Took a gf into the fort (in the1970s) after closing time and got a bj from her there.

Did not see a monk there, thank god.

Last snuck in (alone sadly) about 5 years ago. No monk sightings or bjs or gfs. Just casements and ramparts and skeeters.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:23 am to
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:32 am to
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why was an effective counter to the pike not found until early modern gunpowder warfare?


Mounted archers were the real problem that wasn’t figured out until gunpowder
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:41 am to
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All weapons have the same basic function - poke a hole in him and he dies.


False: clubs, warhamers, and maces wound by blunt force. So do catapults and trebuchets.


and don't forget public shaming.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:13 am to
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Mounted archers were the real problem that wasn’t figured out until gunpowder



Eh, depends on the HA.

The heavily armored crusaders with heavy shield were able to outlast the Turkish arrows at Dorylaeum.

If ypu fought cavalry on favorable ground, they were bound to win.

Get them in unfavorable terrain and you harry or even eliminate their effectiveness.

But on the steppes? Horses rule
Posted by Rabby
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:32 am to
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see the collection of Brown Bess muskets...

The British long pattern musket with bayonet was an amazing weapon.
Combination of pike and firearm used by well disciplined troops.
Posted by upgrade
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:36 pm to
To my uneducated mind, the weapons like the Pole axe, the Halbred and similar weapons look like they would be difficult to use as a swinging weapon. You always see them in movies in the hands of king’s guards and such. It would be cool to see how soldiers were trained to use them. Were they primarily a spear? An axe handle that long just seems awkward and slow handling.
Posted by glassart
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:49 pm to
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It is something to marvel at - the pointed stick lasted so long.


Cost effective- easy to make and deliver to the battlefield
Basic mechanics for dumber soldiers- anyone can jab with a stick.
Dual Purpose- can be thrown or held
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:03 pm to



Here you go
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 5:38 pm to
What's even wilder is that typical roman pikes were 18-23 feet long. Couple that with the average height being about 5'5" and that's a small man with a big stick.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 5:46 pm to
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Get them in unfavorable terrain and you harry or even eliminate their effectiveness.


This is the answer for any weapon system. Terrain, along with sheer numbers, determined most battles.

The crusaders were formidable if disciplined and could resist the Turkish arrows for the most part. But it took heavily armored horsemen making disciplined charges. The Crusaders weren’t beating the Turks with just pikemen. If the horsemen had any room to operate, they defeat foot soldiers.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 5:47 pm
Posted by rltiger
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 5:51 pm to
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It’s more fun to read their version of the revolutionary war in there. They act like we were a bunch of spoiled children who refused the kindness of their benevolent king. I laughed out loud several times reading some of the plaques.


British war museum too. You would think the US was a bit player in WWII.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 9/7/25 at 5:20 pm to
Ever try to design weapons that never got made? Something original but effective?
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 9/7/25 at 5:23 pm to
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You would think the US was a bit player in WWII.

Plenty of people believe that unfortunately. Especially since so much of the focus is on the European theater
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