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re: The “never-stopping” lifestyle

Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:11 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:11 am to
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I agree, but it is the reality.


just for clarity, that was in reference to the movie "Up"

specifically the first 15 minutes which tackles the very problem you highlighted
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:12 am to
I think a big thing is understanding the inefficiencies in your day. I work 60-70 hours a week, but all that's done is help me identify where time is wasted.

For example:

(1) Live close to work. This is massive - not because it's close to my job and I like being close, rather, i minimize car time and maximize free time.

(2) Spend good money on a home office. Work isn't bad at all if you're interested in what you do, but sometimes, being in your office can be a drag. So, I setup a room in our home and had it completely outfitted to the same standards of what I'm working with at the office: 2 large monitors, docking station, ergonomic chair, laserjet printer, big desk, and a nice tv to peek up at whenever I need a break.

When you're in shorts and a t-shirt, got a nice cup of coffee and you've got college gameday on in the background, 4 hours of Saturday morning work is a breeze. You feel more free, and, it's nice being close to your family at home.

Take care of Yourself/Workout It sucks getting up at 5:30 4-5 times a week, but, I've noticed a big difference on my happiness and job performance when I workout, eat right, and take care of my body. This means lotion out of the shower, face cream, toothpaste, vitamins, brushing your teeth, and ordering pre-cooked healthy meals via a meal prep platform.

The meal prep subscription is huge. You (1) don't waste time on cooking, (2) You don't have to think about what you're going to eat, (3) you feel obligated to eat healthy, due to the sunk cost you've already put into the meal, and (4) they're generally pretty damn good.

I'm 30 as well - but these are things I have done to quell the storm. No kids yet - honestly, waiting for the next level up so I can begin having flexibility in my calendar.

If you've got a demanding job, chances are, they're compensating you well enough for you take appropriate measure to enhance your life. With all of the enhancements to modern technology, simple pleasures like having the ballgame on at night in the office, or being able to work from home can really help your work/life integration.
Posted by ladygoodman
under there
Member since Oct 2016
371 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:12 am to
Sounds familiar. Add sports, dance, cheer, Scouts,piano, and all the other kid-related stuff, and you end up doing nothing but "have-to" all the time. We got sick of that about a decade ago. I quit my job, husband took a job that wasnt killing his soul, the kids dropped activities that they didnt love (which ended up being most of them). We bought a camp and spend a lot of time there. We see our families a good bit.

Oh, and any help from parents becomes even less and the obligation to them more as they age. Ours are in their 70s and some are ill, so I make time for them out of necessity as well as wanting to be with them as much as possible.

Overall, we are far happier and more relaxed. The kids seem happy and well-adjusted. There are different ways to live. As long as you and your wife are good with it...dont let others dictate what's "right".
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3155 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:13 am to
Either your wife needs to " stay at home" or you need a different job. That shite you have going is a recipe for disaster.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94664 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:20 am to
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I’m 32, married, 1 kid, have a corporate white collar salaried job.


While I read the rest of your post, I kind of got it by here.

I was there - 20 years ago. I had 2 jobs, in fact, and Mrs. Midnight was just starting to work as the kids were getting to be school age. It goes by pretty fast. The approach I took was to step back and avoid additional commitments that did not please me.

quote:

I get vacations


This past May my wife and I took our second vacation without the kids that was neither work nor military-related. In 30 years.

quote:

My wife stays busy with a full time job and is involved in the community, so she’s often leaning on me to help with this or that in addition to my regular at-home responsibilities.


Communication is going to fix that. I get staying involved in the kids, but if you're already overextended, all this community involvement is a luxury. I'm not saying you negotiate an end to it. Just encourage her to only take on what she can handle because you're tapped out - try it for a calendar quarter.

quote:

I think this type of lifestyle is what often leads to divorce


The two pieces of this also include communication. Instead of stewing about something and getting resentful, communicate what your concerns are, remind her of the demands being placed on you and what you're willing to do/unwilling to do.

The corollary to this is that the 2 of you MUST (not may, MUST) work at setting aside time for just the 2 of you. Regularly, whether it is weekly, monthly, whatever, find a way to make that happen. Get resources from friends, family, grandparents, etc. Divorces almost always start with drifting apart. Almost all couples drift to a degree, but once you notice that happening you have to do something to close the breach.

Period.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:21 am
Posted by Sweltering Chill
Member since Aug 2017
2150 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:21 am to
quote:

I'm 30 as well - but these are things I have done to quell the storm. No kids yet - honestly, waiting for the next level up so I can begin having flexibility in my calendar.




I think this is key.. not directed at the OP, but i think most people have kids way before they are prepared, time-wise as well as financially.

Or just do like me and dont have kids.. i still feel overwhelmed at times, so i’m not sure how those with kids manage it all.. it’s not surprising that a lot of stuff falls through the cracks.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66183 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:22 am to
I feel the exact way as you about work and how taking time to relax isn't even relaxing. If I added in a wife and kids, I would probably kill myself. I totally understand now how people become alcoholics and drug addicts.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85354 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:24 am to
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I feel the exact way as you about work and how taking time to relax isn't even relaxing. If I added in a wife and kids, I would probably kill myself. I totally understand now how people become alcoholics and drug addicts.


or maybe adding a wife and kids would add some perspective to the important things in life

just a thought
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88014 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:26 am to
Admit it, baw, you just want him to be miserable like the rest of us, don’t you?
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
72800 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:27 am to
yeah, for me. without the wife and family, being said cog would never be worth it and i'd never find the motivation alone.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85354 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:28 am to
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Admit it, baw, you just want him to be miserable like the rest of us, don’t you?



he sounds pretty miserable already

Posted by monstranceclock76
Texas
Member since Jul 2019
932 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:29 am to
It's called living in America where the #1 priority is making money.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171949 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:29 am to
He just said he'd kill himself if he got married and had kids. He's plenty miserable already.
Posted by Marfa
Esplanade
Member since Sep 2016
1499 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:32 am to
Quit your job move your family to a homestead
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
10728 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

-Tyler Durden


Grow up, realize you chose your reality. You chose to take that job, chose to get married, chose to have a kid. I hope you knew what responsibilities came along with each of those choices.

Now, it's ok to feel pressure and exhaustion and stress. But you can resent them, or you can accept them.

Find the positive in the results of the choices you made. Your job allows you to provide for your family. It is a stepping stone to the next one that will pay more. You are learning new skills and meeting other professionals.

Your wife is your partner in this life, your team mate. Together you are stronger than either of you would be alone. She's the one who will have your back when no one else will.

Your kid is your chance to better this world in a small but meaningful way. Make sure you're raising a person you would admire and seek to be around. Challenge them to be better than you or their mom.

Golf is a great hobby, but maybe find one that the family does together. When I was a kid the whole family went fishing. We spent the whole day out on the boat. We had fun, bonded, and shared.

But don't give up golf entirely. You need time away as well.

It's all about balance.

But above all else, remember, you're not special.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40112 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:35 am to
It'll probably be another 20-30 years, but I'm looking forward to the normal working week to be about 30 hours.


Study after study shows that 40 hours a week is sub optimal, and the vast majority of workers are not even productive for many of those hours.

shite I bet most people in this thread could simply cut their hours by 10/week and their average job performance wouldn't significantly change.

But present that info to the higher ups and most would probably look at you as if you just sprouted an extra limb.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88014 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:36 am to
We need that extra time to post on TD, baw!
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46228 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:38 am to
start your own business.
its the only way to truly be happy and build wealth for yourself
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:38 am to
quote:

shite I bet most people in this thread could simply cut their hours by 10/week and their average job performance wouldn't significantly change.



I'd say most weeks I do maybe 15 hours of actual meaningful work. There are certainly some weeks where I'm busting arse 40+ hours, but those are the exception and not the rule.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293746 posts
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:39 am to
quote:

It's called living in America where the #1 priority is making money.


The pressure people put on themselves is terrible.

Kids don't need luxury. They need love and time with parents. Anyone sacrificing their sanity for a job is doing it wrong. Work to live is how you achieve balance
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