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Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:08 pm to tigerfan88
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The parents knew there was a decent possibility he would commit a mass shooting and not only did nothing to stop it but actively prevented the school from stopping it.
So when do we start locking up parents of kids in street gangs?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:10 pm to TomBuchanan
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Yes they should be punished. The situation seems more like it would lead to civil suits
The problem with a civil only solution is the vast majority of Americans are judgement proof. Most civil judgements can be discharged in bankruptcy but even in jurisdictions where they can not in situations having willful or wanton actions they generally only have the effect of screwing up your credit.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:13 pm to Obtuse1
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The problem with a civil only solution is the vast majority of Americans are judgement proof. Most civil judgements can be discharged in bankruptcy but even in jurisdictions where they can not in situations having willful or wanton actions they generally only have the effect of screwing up your credit.
Couldn't you move a lot of assets to a trust and protect them from judgements that way?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:14 pm to stout
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So when do we start locking up parents of kids in street gangs?
Today sounds good.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:16 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Today sounds good.
And Alec Baldwin's parents
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:19 pm to stout
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And Alec Baldwin's parents
Alec is grown, living on his own, supporting himself. He didn't need his parents to buy him a gun and leave it laying around for him to take to the movie set and kill a person.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:23 pm to LegendInMyMind
It was a joke but my previous post wasn't
If these parents are responsible for manslaughter then there are a lot of parents in the inner cities that need to be rounded up
If these parents are responsible for manslaughter then there are a lot of parents in the inner cities that need to be rounded up
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:24 pm to PaperPaintball92
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They are still going to prison for supplying a teenager with a handgun.
Serious question: is there a federal or state law against this and if so, what is it?
I suspect the answer is no, but Im willing to admit I could be wrong.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:27 pm to TigerInGrayton
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you can go to prison for that then there’s millions of Americans testing their luck
That is true but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s illegal to supply a child with a gun.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:28 pm to stout
quote:i don't really disagree with this BUT how often are these urban youths given a gun by parents before/after exhibiting homicidal and anti social tendencies?
If these parents are responsible for manslaughter then there are a lot of parents in the inner cities that need to be rounded up
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:28 pm to hikingfan
No there not.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:30 pm to TDsngumbo
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that it’s illegal to supply a child with a gun.
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There are no CAP laws at the federal level, and federal law does not generally require gun owners to safely store their guns. Federal law does, however, make it unlawful for any licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer to sell or transfer any handgun unless the transferee is provided with a “secure gun storage or safety device,”8 and immunizes the lawful owner of a handgun who uses a secure gun storage or safety device from certain civil actions based on the criminal or unlawful misuse of the handgun by a third party.9 For further details, see our summary on Safe Storage. Federal and state laws imposing a minimum age for the purchase and possession of firearms are discussed in our summary on the Minimum Age to Purchase and Possess Firearms.10
As far as states with CAP laws Michigan does not have any so what you just stated as a fact is the opposite
CAP Laws
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:30 pm to hikingfan
Kill the kid and throw the parents in jail for life.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:32 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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given a gun by parents before/after exhibiting homicidal and anti social tendencies?
So now parents need to be psychologist too?
It's very easy for you and everyone else to say the signs were so obvious AFTER the fact.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:32 pm to stout
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Couldn't you move a lot of assets to a trust and protect them from judgements that way?
If they were moved well before any incident absolutely. You can’t wait until after something happens though.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:36 pm to stout
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So now parents need to be psychologist too?
lol ok
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Teacher reported a disturbing note on Ethan's desk, including the following:
-Semiautomatic handgun pointing at a note: “The thoughts won’t stop, help me”
-Bullet with “Blood everywhere” written above it
-Drawing of a person appearing to be shot and bleeding
-Notes reading, "My life is useless" and "The world is dead"
-Parents are summoned to the school and Ethan is brought to the office
-School counselor recommends Ethan is enrolled into counseling in the next 48 hours
-Parents fail to inquire about the gun or search Ethan's backpack
-School officials recommend that Ethan is sent home for the day; his parents refuse, and send him back to class
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:41 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Would’ve prompted admin to tell the parents he couldn’t return to school until he was seen and cleared by a mental health professional. Or we would offer to call in a mobile assessment.
It would have also prompted us to search his backpack ourselves. And if the parents refused to get him help, a CPS call would be coming. Security would’ve been called to remove them from the property (kid included) if they didn’t leave when we requested. There’d be no staying at school.
All of this. It's simply unconscionable he was allowed to step foot back in those school hallways. And I don't want to hear, "oh, the parents wouldn't pull him out". So fricking what! If you expel a kid for something, do you wait for the parents to sign off on the expulsion? Of course not. A threat is a threat. Hundreds of kids' safety comes before the feelings of a single, irresponsible family.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:42 pm to hikingfan
If this is what happened I have no problem with the parents being charged.. But this should be the bar for all juvenile criminal activity where the parents contributed knowingly or unknowingly..
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