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The market value of a career in education for different degrees
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:43 pm
If there are any educators posting today, I would like some insight into why teachers are paid the same despite differences in skill level and education. I am focusing on K-12 education.
For example, if one candidate has a degree in education and the other has a degree in math, will they both get paid the same if they are teaching the same class? If the answer is yes, what is the point of the math degree?
NOTE: I know that you can do different jobs with a math degree. I am just making an example.
Is becoming a licensed teacher necessary anymore? I was taught that if you don't have a state license, you would have difficulty finding a job.
Are teachers and other staff at school boards insulated from free-market economics? In the real world, if there is a higher demand for your services, you get paid more. If you perform poorly at your job despite warnings (if any) to do better, you get fired. Does this not apply to the field of education.
For example, if one candidate has a degree in education and the other has a degree in math, will they both get paid the same if they are teaching the same class? If the answer is yes, what is the point of the math degree?
NOTE: I know that you can do different jobs with a math degree. I am just making an example.
Is becoming a licensed teacher necessary anymore? I was taught that if you don't have a state license, you would have difficulty finding a job.
Are teachers and other staff at school boards insulated from free-market economics? In the real world, if there is a higher demand for your services, you get paid more. If you perform poorly at your job despite warnings (if any) to do better, you get fired. Does this not apply to the field of education.
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Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:44 pm to volod
..What happened to you in regards to this?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:48 pm to volod
Jesusgod
Just fricking pick a field a go with it.
You are terrible.
Just fricking pick a field a go with it.
You are terrible.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:50 pm to volod
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For example, if one candidate has a degree in education and the other has a degree in math, will they both get paid the same if they are teaching the same class?
No. If it’s public school the one with a degree in math also has a masters or higher in education and therefore has higher credentials and will get paid more.
You must be a licensed teacher to teach LA public schools. Not required for private schools
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Are teachers and other staff at school boards insulated from free-market economics? In the real world, if there is a higher demand for your services, you get paid more. If you perform poorly at your job despite warnings (if any) to do better, you get fired. Does this not apply to the field of education.
Teachers paid based on performance? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahajahahahaha
But a math teacher will make more than an English teacher or a history teacher
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:50 pm to volod
No it’s run by the government. You’re a stupid motherfricker.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:50 pm to volod
Elementary teachers have a basic Ed degree bc they teacher different things on a simpler platform . Secondary teachers specialize in certain areas that they can teach or get add on endorsements to teach other areas. I have a masters degree and that gets you extra pay as does being National Board Certified
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:55 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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But a math teacher will make more than an English teacher or a history teacher
Is this true for Louisiana? It's not for Alabama. Everyone is paid the same.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:58 pm to StringedInstruments
Same in MS. It is based on certification and exp
Certification= higher degrees
Certification= higher degrees
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:02 pm to StringedInstruments
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s this true for Louisiana? It's not for Alabama. Everyone is paid the same.
No, it’s not true. If you’re certified with a bachelor’s, experience is the only difference in pay. Doesn’t matter if you teach advanced math courses or PE.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:12 pm to High C
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No, it’s not true. If you’re certified with a bachelor’s, the experience is the only difference in pay. Doesn’t matter if you teach advanced math courses or PE.
And there lies the conundrum. If you can get paid the same for what would be considered easier credentials, then what is the point of getting the harder degrees. At best, its because you REALLY love teaching math/science. At worst, its just bragging rights.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:16 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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You must be a licensed teacher to teach LA public schools. Not required for private schools
That’s not usually true unless you are confusing private schools with parochial schools. In most states you don’t need any degree at all to teach at a religion based school. Private schools are held to a much higher standard.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:18 pm to volod
Please don't teach our children
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:23 pm to lsuguy84
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Please don't teach our children
As crazy as you think I am, I learned a long time ago that I have no patience for children. I am very socially awkward (no surprise there). I generally just don't like the field of education, but I acknowledge its importance. As already stated government ruins everything.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:26 pm to volod
Isn't this generally driven by a teachers' union? The don't exactly promote individuality.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:30 pm to volod
You do get paid more for more advanced degrees. Not the specific field of degree but more if you have a Masters, etc.
I think it won’t be long and you will see them going to a format where they pay more for those in need. I teach Special Ed and finding a certified person is extremely hard. I can see that eventually positions like this will require more for pay. Some districts already do this in the way of signing bonuses or stipends.
I think it won’t be long and you will see them going to a format where they pay more for those in need. I teach Special Ed and finding a certified person is extremely hard. I can see that eventually positions like this will require more for pay. Some districts already do this in the way of signing bonuses or stipends.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:33 pm to High C
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No, it’s not true. If you’re certified with a bachelor’s, experience is the only difference in pay. Doesn’t matter if you teach advanced math courses or PE.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:39 pm to volod
no! they are government employees. in a free market they’d get paid based on skills and education, of which they have little. my wife is a teacher.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:40 pm to Tigear
Truth
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:47 pm to volod
More than half the people applying for high school teaching jobs have a regular degree and alternative certification or master's certification.
In Louisiana, effectiveness effects pay over the long run. Some districts also pay stipends for Master's degrees in science or math. Better teachers also get more offers to do extra work for which they get paid extra.
A really good math teacher with a Master's in math might get 2k extra for the basic master's then 3k more for it being in math, plus 2500 more for being highly effective and then get selected to do an after school program at the school for 10k more for the year. So a great teacher with a master's in math might make 17500 more than a mediocre teacher.
In Louisiana, effectiveness effects pay over the long run. Some districts also pay stipends for Master's degrees in science or math. Better teachers also get more offers to do extra work for which they get paid extra.
A really good math teacher with a Master's in math might get 2k extra for the basic master's then 3k more for it being in math, plus 2500 more for being highly effective and then get selected to do an after school program at the school for 10k more for the year. So a great teacher with a master's in math might make 17500 more than a mediocre teacher.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:54 pm to Klark Kent
I’d also argue that most school principals and district superintendents are DRASTICALLY overpaid considering their education degrees and experience only in education. government bloat.
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