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re: The LA Homeless problem for all to behold
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:58 am to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:58 am to BottomlandBrew
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One could make the argument that it's Republican's America due to the belief in trickle-down economics, bootstrap upward mobility, and lack of public mental health support. I'm not going to make that argument.
You are spot on about the lack of public mental health support, but you are dead wrong on everything else. These people aren’t homeless because jobs are hard to get; on the contrary, it’s hard to find low wage workers, and those wages are plenty enough to keep you off the streets. The problem is drug addiction and mental health. The left decriminalized drug use. The right fought against it.
Mental health is more complicated with the left being in favor of deinstitutionalizing them and the right happily cutting budgets. No question about it, though, it is the left to whom this is tolerable.
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:58 am to Centinel
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I care about my family and friends, in that order. Everyone else can get fricked
Which bible verse is this?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:01 am to BottomlandBrew
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Republican's America due to the belief in trickle-down economics, bootstrap upward mobility
What's the total opposite option that would be better, and fix these issues?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:04 am to HeadSlash
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Some choose to live like that. If only the government didn't cut mental health funding and programs to provide for Pakistan,Sudan,Egypt and every other country besides the US.
Obamacare gutted what was left of our mental health infrastructure in this country. Moreover, it put the financial burden on the middle class. IE that kind of thing isn't covered by insurance anymore.
That being said, a lot of these cities laws actually put the burden of what happens in front of you property on you. SF is this way. Sadly, the ones with balls that try and do something about getting railroaded by the city with the quickness.
An example:
Clinton Boulders
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Residents of the Clinton Park alley, located to the north of San Francisco’s trendy Mission District neighborhood, funded the rock installation to deter loitering after what they described as a year of flagrant drug-dealing and unpredictable behavior. Housing advocates and other civically minded critics were quick to call the boulders out as anti-homeless architecture.
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On one end of the spectrum, there are advocates like Friedenbach, who calls the crisis “a fundamental human rights violation”. Their concern is for the unhoused, for their ability to access the help and resources they need to get off the streets and into a stable environment.
On the other end of the continuum, there are the quality-of-life complaints and frustration with the city’s seemingly inability to spark much change – the qualms with how visible homelessness affects the housed. Chris Herring, a sociology doctoral candidate at UC Berkeley, analyzed 3m 311 calls in a paper published in the American Sociological Review, and found that calls regarding the homeless increased by 781% in San Francisco between 2011 and 2017.
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This sentiment was heavy over the alley this week, after the city removed the boulders at the behest of the neighbors. They had been fed up with the constant attempts to roll them into the streets, and are working with local officials to figure out a next step.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:06 am to HeadSlash
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You think those baws like being homeless?
Some choose to live like that
Yep, have a good friend who was homeless for 2 years. Him and his now wife actually loved it. They finally turned their life around when she got pregnant.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:12 am to Centinel
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No, we don't. I don't give two flying fricks about anyone in LA, much less California as a whole.
I care about my family and friends, in that order. Everyone else can get fricked.
You do you, but what will you think when it eventually makes it to your "world"? I get what you mean to a point, but being reactive moreso than proactive will eventually bite people in the butt.
In these examples we are seeing many who took your mentality years ago getting bit in the butt. Only because they make decisions based on "feels," and not logic.
It's like the legalize drugs people cause "who cares" it doesn't affect them. Then it eventually does get close to home, and they want help/sympathy.
Caring for what happens right outside the gates of what you care most for really is the best way to care for what you really care about.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:15 am to Mike da Tigah
One of the biggest lies told to the American people is that the homeless problem is caused by housing prices.
It's prevalent in certain cities because:
1. They tolerate it.
2. They have lax drug laws.
3. They have warm weather.
I understand there are homeless advocates and they have some legal protections, but these are not insurmountable. Cities could solve this problem if they chose. But apparently they don't care.
It's prevalent in certain cities because:
1. They tolerate it.
2. They have lax drug laws.
3. They have warm weather.
I understand there are homeless advocates and they have some legal protections, but these are not insurmountable. Cities could solve this problem if they chose. But apparently they don't care.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:15 am to TOSOV
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What's the total opposite option that would be better, and fix these issues?
That's my point. The complete opposite is the left's solution, which does frickall as well. I don't pretend to know the solution to end homelessness and mental illness, but I know blaming the other side doesn't fix it. You need to have a real conversation about the economic forces, governmental policies, cultural mindsets, and individual drives that result in large-scale homelessness like this.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:18 am to BottomlandBrew
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But keep blaming one side. That will surely fix it.
Democrats have spent decades making poverty comfortable. Don't even try to talk about solving this problem until you address the root causes.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:18 am to BottomlandBrew
I don’t disagree with your post.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:19 am to RLDSC FAN
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Yep, have a good friend who was homeless for 2 years. Him and his now wife actually loved it. They finally turned their life around when she got pregnant.
Sometimes you just need to get out of your system. Climbing back up can be gratifying. Nothing wrong with living that way, but I do have issue with people imposing it in a negative way on others. Ie...begging, tenting on sidewalks, etc.
Curious...So did they travel around or stay in the same area the whole time? Did they meet on the homeless circuit or knew each other prior?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:21 am to Mike da Tigah
I get that it looks a lot worse is California but let’s not act like it’s not a huge problem in Texas and Louisiana cities. It’s really bad in DFW.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:23 am to BottomlandBrew
There are two issues:
1. The homelessness itself
2. The affect it has on a community
It's very hard to solve 1, but you can solve 2, by strict enforcement of zoning laws and any other means to get these people out of commercial areas. Herd these people into strict and defined areas, similar to refugee camps, with support staff and resources, but only allow them to be there.
1. The homelessness itself
2. The affect it has on a community
It's very hard to solve 1, but you can solve 2, by strict enforcement of zoning laws and any other means to get these people out of commercial areas. Herd these people into strict and defined areas, similar to refugee camps, with support staff and resources, but only allow them to be there.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:29 am to BottomlandBrew
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That's my point. The complete opposite is the left's solution, which does frickall as well. I don't pretend to know the solution to end homelessness and mental illness, but I know blaming the other side doesn't fix it. You need to have a real conversation about the economic forces, governmental policies, cultural mindsets, and individual drives that result in large-scale homelessness like this.
I agree with the importance of having the convo. Whenever I hear the issue being trickle down, I get curious about why its to blame when it's in its purest form. Which we don't have in use today. Truly would like to understand.
I agree on the mental help that is needed, but not sure why that got grouped in with Republican stances in your original post.
From my view...the Right doesn't have problems with properly handling something like this, but it's the lack of proper oversight and money wasted by people running the fix. Which tend to lean left. Why things are where they are now.
At the end of the day the problem is we have one side that is vilified for bringing logical solutions to a problem that the other side wants to solve with emotional solutions. That's why the conversation can't/won't be had.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:32 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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It’s really bad in DFW.
DART train stops in downtown is definitely not a positive for the push to make the area a draw.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:40 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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I get that it looks a lot worse is California but let’s not act like it’s not a huge problem in Texas and Louisiana cities. It’s really bad in DFW.
I said as much.
Common denominator..... ALL Democrat Mayors in these cities.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:51 am to Mike da Tigah
We should send all homeless people to California to enjoy the nice weather year round.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:55 am to O
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You think those baws like being homeless?
There is a significant % of the overall "homeless" population - many of the ones pitching shoplifted tents in upscale downtown metros - that reject normal society.
They don't want to work a job. They don't respect laws or property or personal boundaries.
I think its less important to "solve" the problem of these people and more important that we mitigate the outsized influence they have on LGBT youth, children of addicts, and the truly destitute. Vulnerable populations that would actually take advantage of resources if they were available.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:59 am to O
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You think those baws like being homeless?
Like? No
Accept? Yes
Self inflict to remain? Yes
Can't put all into one group..but you get the point
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:02 am to Mike da Tigah
My sister in law chose to be homeless - when we’d see her and ask her to come home she’d walk away with her homeless friends
She isn’t severely mentally ill - a little bit of a spoiled misfit and got caught up into prescription drugs for a while
I worked downtown in an urban area - and there are many people (not all) who choose this homeless lifestyle, and plenty that choose jail too.
As for the OP - sometimes I do think they are ‘plants’ rumor was a lot of that crowd that Kyle Rittenhouse was accosted by in WI were ‘homeless’. Then there are great organizations like Homeless Out Loud that basically say you have a right to be homeless
She isn’t severely mentally ill - a little bit of a spoiled misfit and got caught up into prescription drugs for a while
I worked downtown in an urban area - and there are many people (not all) who choose this homeless lifestyle, and plenty that choose jail too.
As for the OP - sometimes I do think they are ‘plants’ rumor was a lot of that crowd that Kyle Rittenhouse was accosted by in WI were ‘homeless’. Then there are great organizations like Homeless Out Loud that basically say you have a right to be homeless
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