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re: The Keto diet can’t possibly be good for you
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:01 pm to Unknown_Poster
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:01 pm to Unknown_Poster
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c. I also think the high fat component of Keto is particularly moronic because it leads to a host of other problems.
Like what
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Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:13 pm to wildtigercat93
Elevated cholesterol/blood pressure for starters.
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Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:14 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Elevated blood pressure for starters.
Uhh for the vast majority of people it LOWERS blood pressure...
ETA: high cholesterol has been debunked as a risk for CVD.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:29 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Elevated cholesterol/blood pressure for starters.
Wrong
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:31 pm to diddlydawg7
Wait until he gets his 1st kidney stone. Game over
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:00 pm to genteellady
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It just seems like common sense would mean that this diet cannot be good for your heart and arteries.
Common sense based on decades of bad, unscientific nutritional guidelines. Yes.
Eta: to the downvoter, please provide a detailed description of the causal link between dietary fat, in the absence of high carbohydrate intake, and cardiovascular disease. Thank you.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:01 pm to NPComb
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Wait until he gets his 1st kidney stone. Game over
While some people do experience a uric acid spike during initial fat adaptation (I never have), from a primary glucose-burning state, those who are fat adapted actual have better regulated uric acid and anti-inflammatory function.
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when initially entering into nutritional ketosis due to the competitive inhibition of ketones on kidney excretion of uric acid (Veech, 2004). This is transient, and once one is through the keto-adaptation process, the long-term risk of gout decreases (Hussain, 2012). Very few people who are not prone to gout (it's partially genetic) have an attack due to starting a ketogenic diet. The overall prevalence in the general population is about 1-2%—this includes those who are prone and those who are not.
A well-formulated ketogenic diet has potent anti-inflammatory properties that we are just now coming to understand. The primary ketone in our blood, beta-hydroxybutyrate (BOHB), is a regulatory signal that works inside white blood cells to reduce inflammation. Most recently, a well-known research group at Yale have studied the ketogenic diet in rats and in humans, and demonstrated that it actually has a protective effect against joint damage caused by gout (Goldberg, 2017). They've worked out the mechanism, and in the process demonstrated that BOHB can reduce damaging inflammation without reducing the benefits of inflammation such as healing and our defenses against infection. What this indicates that a well-formulated ketogenic diet may actually be beneficial in the management of gout.
Bottom line: A well-formulated ketogenic diet is not a contraindication in people with a history of gout. But once through the keto-adaptation phase, consistency with the diet is advised in order to avoid repeated swings in blood uric acid level caused by going in and out of nutritional ketosis.
Citations:Goldberg EL, Asher JL, Molony RD, et al. ß-Hydroxybutyrate Deactivates Neutrophil NLRP3 Inflammasome to Relieve Gout Flares. Cell Reports. 2017; 18:2077-2087
Hussain TA, Mathew TC, Dashti AA, Asfar S, Al-Zaid N, Dashti HM. Effect of low-calorie versus low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet in type 2 diabetes. Nutrition. 2012 Oct;28(10):1016-21. doi: 10.1016/j.nut.2012.01.016. Epub 2012 Jun 5. PubMed PMID: 22673594.
Veech RL. The therapeutic implications of ketone bodies: the effects of ketone bodies in pathological conditions: ketosis, ketogenic diet, redox states, insulin resistance, and mitochondrial metabolism. Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2004 Mar;70(3):309-19. Review. PubMed PMID: 14769489.
Dr Stephen Phinney's Virta site (short article/vid)
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:04 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
recent study on benefit of LDL post CVD event
It's crazy to me that there's so much new research on lipidology and yet most doctors won't bother to follow it. Muh statins and muh LDL is bad mmmmckay
It's crazy to me that there's so much new research on lipidology and yet most doctors won't bother to follow it. Muh statins and muh LDL is bad mmmmckay
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:06 pm to Unknown_Poster
My cholesterol was borderline for years. Did keto for 4 months and my cholesterol dropped in half from what it was the previous year.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:48 pm to The Spleen
I was already pretty thin and I started eating oatmeal for breakfast and lunch M-F (with peanut butter) and a sensible home cooked dinner with broccoli and cauliflower for sides, and walking 3-4 miles a couple of times a week and I lost 20 lbs.
So, eat normally, move a little, don’t drink alcohol, and the weight will come off. I now eat ice cream every night because I need to gain about 10 of it back.
So, eat normally, move a little, don’t drink alcohol, and the weight will come off. I now eat ice cream every night because I need to gain about 10 of it back.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:17 pm to genteellady
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just seems like common sense would mean that this diet cannot be good for your heart and arteries.
Funny that Americans have been dropping dead from heart disease and diabetes well before this was a thing.
What yall consider a normal diet has been killing us for decades.
You are probably more addicted to hfcs than a crack head is to crack.
As far as the op, think for a second. you are still eating that butter, but you are putting it on top of bleached flour.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:28 pm to BeachDude022
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There’s no short cut. Keto is not sustainable and you gain most of your weight back as soon as you get back on carbs.
This is actually true for any dieter.
Oh you mean you gain weight when you eat like shite again? No way!
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:49 pm to dgnx6
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Keto is not sustainable
It's funny that people keep telling me this (out of their behinds) and yet my baseline (aka, effortless) weight is now 175 instead of 200 and has been for well over three years (I'm 45).
Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:50 pm to supadave3
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So, eat normally, move a little, don’t drink alcohol, and the weight will come off. I now eat ice cream every night because I need to gain about 10 of it back.
The only good advice in the above is re: alcohol.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:43 am to nola000
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I basically don't trust anything.
Apparently you trust the organic industry
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I'd like to grow all my own food but I don't have the time or land right now.
There are plenty of places in LA you could buy locally grown meat/fruits, and vegetables. You could also buy locally grown rice(even organic), and dairy
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:47 am to nola000
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I'd rather buy one with the label that might be worth something than one without a label that means they could have grown it anyway they wanted.
Which way would that be? What makes organically grown food better?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:49 am to diddlydawg7
Butter is awesome especially when served on poptarts with a glass of milk
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:18 am to Unknown_Poster
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t's pretty easy to cut your daily carb intake to 40-50g by cutting out most shitty/processed foods.
No it's not.
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I also think the high fat component of Keto is particularly moronic because it leads to a host of other problems.
Like what?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:20 am to diddlydawg7
I started KETO the day this thread started and lost 4 pounds already.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:22 am to 62Tigerfan
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I did lose a lot of weight simply going into a reasonable low carb diet (40 grams daily) and moderate exercise. There is no research on the long term consequence of no carbs and high fat.
You do realize that 40g total carbs a day will get the average male into ketosis, right?
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There are only three basic foods the world over: carbs, protein, fat. You need all three in the right proportions
Saying this while also advocating for 40g total carbs a day being reasonable compared to Keto just doesn't make sense.
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