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re: The DKE closure at LSU is going to stay ugly for a while.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:42 pm to TOSOV
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:42 pm to TOSOV
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If done right teaching young college punks how to follow before leading is invaluable
True... but you are delusional if a frat is the organization which adequately teaches this. This is coming from someone who was in a frat and also served in the military.
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Which is something I learned, and thankful for it. Humbling experience I wouldn't go back, and change.
How is fraternal hazing humbling? What, you were humbled because you had to listen to someone give sinceless directions or you had to follow a meeting schedule? Humbled and better because you had to be on time to events? You had to maintain a minimum GPA? Let's be honest here... A frat is a social club. Tt doesn't teach leadership principles nor prepare one for real responsibility. Additionally, hazing does not teach anything worth value. Sure, minor hazing can get people in a small/similar group to bond, but you are fooling yourself by connecting hazing to leadership.
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Not comparing to military, but not many different types of tactics the military uses if done right. I guarantee you that no one would think stuff I had to do was "weak sauce."
What in the hell are you trying to say here? Are you trying to compare frat rituals to military training? Your sentence does not make any sense. Additionally, the "stuff" you had to do was most definitely "weak sauce", lets stop kidding here with the military comparisons. Please, tell me how the "stuff" you did compares to military service/sacrifice.
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Mind games mixed with testing ones physical ability can definitely help change a young man who hasn't been forced too. Humbles the small town "hs football star"
Again, a frat doesn't teach leadership. What "humbles" young men in the military is the stark realization your decisions are literally life or death. You screw up, your buddy dies. Not the testing of physical abilities, as this serves other purposes.
Overall, your argument is weak. And judging by your grammar/sentence structure, you should have spent more time in class than at the keg.
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Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:58 pm to Ben Hur
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Forced branding is equally fricked up. There is a fine line between hazing and torture.
Nothing is forced that is a guarantee.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:11 pm to Anaximander
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DKE has that reputation and it is akin to agreeing to walk across hot coals and then complaining about the burns. Not my concern.
The legislature was thinking of bullshite excuses like this when they specifically excluded consent as a valid defense when they passed the Max Gruver law last year.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:15 pm to Anaximander
bunch of douches anyway...
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:16 pm to Anaximander
Frat star problems. 
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:18 pm to TOSOV
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And? Whats your point? Does it matter what group it is, and their purpose when it comes to testing some ones grit? Especially if a group decides it takes a certain level to prove yourself.
If done right teaching young college punks how to follow before leading is invaluable. Which is something I learned, and thankful for it. Humbling experience I wouldn't go back, and change.
Funny how all the negas come around, and dont notice the 3 fingers pointing back at them. Easy to talk negative about something they have no real clue about.
Not comparing to military, but not many different types of tactics the military uses if done right. I guarantee you that no one would think stuff I had to do was "weak sauce." Gay shite crosses the line, and would have walked out. That not being apart of it was promised to us going in. "No one wants to see or touch your little boy private parts, so definitely report to your pledge master" Top of a short list "not acceptable stuff" though. That was reviewed with the brothers too.
Mind games mixed with testing ones physical ability can definitely help change a young man who hasnt been forced too. Humbles the small town "hs football star".
Beta pussies, and cocky "shite dont stink" wannabe alphas get washed out.
This has some serious copypasta potential
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:23 pm to Ben Hur
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My point was that the goal of hazing is to see how committed the guys are, but not to actually take it that far. You’re trying to weed out the people that crack under pressure, not who can handle physical torture.
Frats are just supposed to be a social club to improve young men's lives, develop friendships, network for a job and so on, not act like it's a military boot camp dude.
You're nuts if you think people want to be "committed" to a club where they piss on people, pour gasoline on them, get so drunk it's literally life threatening and do illegal and unethical activities that would get them blackballed in civilized and polite society.
That's not a social club, it's a cult.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:41 pm to SouthernImmigrant
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Nothing is forced that is a guarantee.
Do you believe there has to be physical contact to be considered forcing? These are stupid 18-19 year olds, peer pressure combined with alcohol can be just as compelling in getting someone to do something potentially harmful as physical force. Courts have held people responsible for inflicting harm when they never touched the person.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:49 pm to Cump11b
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And judging by your grammar/sentence structure, you should have spent more time in class than at the keg.
yep....that's real Shakespeare right thar!
Starting a sentence with 'and' suggests you may have spent some time at the keg as well
calm down...geez...you're taking this WAY to seriously Mr. Army Man. No one thinks a frat guy is nearly as cool as an Army guy, but many frat experiences do mature pimple faced high school hot shots....it was a GREAT experience for me and millions other. If you don't like it, mind your own business and let others who do have their fun.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Word is the kid was trying to bring his whole DKE pledge class to help reinstate Sigma Chi.
Correct. He was able to convince one pledge brother to defect with him.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:33 pm to Jim Rockford
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that no longer seems true based on the low rent PI lawyer who's their alumni president.
The truth!
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:07 pm to EA6B
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Courts have held people responsible for inflicting harm when they never touched the person.
Courts? Like the 9th Circuit? Like the same court (s) that condone no knock raids? Or late term abortions? Or institute ridiculous bussing rules to appease arguably imagined racial disparities?
Sorry man. If you can’t choose between participating or walking away from ridiculous shite at 18 or 19, I’m not giving you any sympathy. Being stupid is a legit excuse. So are the results of being stupid. They weren’t held against their will. They chose to participate. Might have been some immature, twisted, stupid shite. But they participated. I’m not buying the whole “poor me, I’m a victim cause I was coerced.”
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:17 pm to Anaximander
Friends for life.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:19 pm to Anaximander
Frat is being a gentlemen not pouring gas on someone.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:30 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Sorry man. If you can’t choose between participating or walking away from ridiculous shite at 18 or 19, I’m not giving you any sympathy. Being stupid is a legit excuse. So are the results of being stupid. They weren’t held against their will. They chose to participate. Might have been some immature, twisted, stupid shite. But they participated. I’m not buying the whole “poor me, I’m a victim cause I was coerced.”
Courts don't care how you think things should be, only what a judge and jury decide matter. Courts have convicted people for harm they caused to someone else, and the only "force" used was verbal. Surely you have heard about the latest case where the girl was convicted of manslaughter for urging her boy fried to commit suicide through text messages.
"Carter, then 17, was convicted in June of involuntary manslaughter for urging Conrad Roy III, 18, through texts and phone conversations to kill himself, even as the young man who battled depression told her he wanted to abandon his plan."
LINK
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:22 pm to Zeta_Zeta
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Zeta_Zeta
Well tell us what part of the story we are missing since you’re obviously a DKE from the Chapter formerly known as Zeta Zeta you must have the scoop.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:56 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
This thread has been hilarious
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:05 am to Ole War Skule
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It's a private organization, why does anyone care what they do or don't do to each other?
They get living space on a public university campus? They are university-sanctioned student organizations?
There's the contradiction inherent in your argument. Fraternities are not private organizations, strictly speaking. They are more like public-private hybrids. If we follow your train of thought, we should argue that all Greek organizations should be immediately and indefinitely kicked off campus. That would be logically consistent with the idea that they are "private" organizations.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 1:06 am
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:24 am to Zeta_Zeta
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None of you that sit on here complaining have any idea what you are talking about and just repeat what you hear on the news.
I don’t know what happened. I do know national shut them down unceremoniously, and then the cops arrested nine of them (including leadership). Smoke, meet fire.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:06 am to JudgeHolden
All the DKEs were doing was weeding out the bad apples.
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