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re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)
Posted on 10/8/22 at 1:17 am to Nephropidae
Posted on 10/8/22 at 1:17 am to Nephropidae
quote:Probably because poker players know that you just can't call there with jack high. Even if you are absolutely certain that it's a bluff, you still have to have something that can beat some random hand.quote:
She can't call
that’s where you are are mind fricked and wrong. She can and did call. His bluff. With her bluff. Why is this so hard for poker players.
If she had raised all-in on the turn, that would be one thing. That would have put the pressure on him, but he had a bunch of outs and he could have called and it would have been legit. But she didn't do that. She put in a mild raise, and he called her bluff and went all-in. That's it. She got beat. He called her bluff and it's an automatic fold for her. No thought whatsoever. A call there is just donating money, unless you know exactly what cards he has.
If you're going to call as part of a bluff, you have to have another play after that. You need another move to complete the bluff. You need another chance to apply pressure, but she didn't have another chance. He was already all-in. A bluff is playing cards that you don't have, but once you call an all-in you have to play the cards you do have. And she had shite. Nobody who has ever played poker would try to river a pair (especially a low one) with all the draws on the board.
Unless the call was cheap relative to the pot (it wasn't), or if she knew his cards.
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 5:33 am to Korkstand
quote:if she knew his cards she would have also known she had the worse hand and would have folded. Especially since they were running it twice.
A call there is just donating money, unless you know exactly what cards he has.
That’s what I don’t get about the cheating accusations. If she knew what we knew she would have folded.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 5:50 am to drexyl
The whole stealing chips deal has me changing my opinion from earlier in this thread. This has to be the biggest coincidence ever or something just isn't right.
And I'm really suspicious of how she keeps changing her story. One day she misread her hand(I already posted why that's a lie) then the next she read Garrett's soul(absolutely retarded) then the next day she just made a wild call. She's not telling the truth & it makes her look guilty as hell.
And I'm really suspicious of how she keeps changing her story. One day she misread her hand(I already posted why that's a lie) then the next she read Garrett's soul(absolutely retarded) then the next day she just made a wild call. She's not telling the truth & it makes her look guilty as hell.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 5:52 am
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:01 am to Korkstand
quote:
That's it. She got beat. He called her bluff and it's an automatic fold for her. No thought whatsoever. A call there is just donating money
You are wrong though
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:02 am to drexyl
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If she knew his cards she would have also known she had the worse hand and would have folded. Especially since they were running it twice.
False. She had the high hand going into the river. If they didn't know all the folded cards and hadn't yet factored those odds, she would have been around 55%. And even if they knew the true odds of 47%, it was still the right decision to call due to what she stood to gain.
To give you an example, consider this:
I say if you give me $100, I'll let you roll a single die and if it comes up as 6, I'll pay you $10k. You can rebet as many times as you'd like.
Would you do it?
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:05 am to LSUsuperfresh
I don’t understand how some chick calling a hand made a 35 page thread of constant arguing. It’s mind blowing to me.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:07 am to Lawyered
I don't like how the guy handled that. I don't agree with him going all in there. And no reason to react that way.
I actually agree with what she said considering their history of playing together. Sounds like he has tried to do this before against her. I don't blame her for taking a gamble on the chance someone she knows was attempting to bluff her. I realize pro poker players hate gamblers, but what he did was a gamble as well. I don't care how he formulates to justify his all in call. It was equally a gamble. Good on her.
I actually agree with what she said considering their history of playing together. Sounds like he has tried to do this before against her. I don't blame her for taking a gamble on the chance someone she knows was attempting to bluff her. I realize pro poker players hate gamblers, but what he did was a gamble as well. I don't care how he formulates to justify his all in call. It was equally a gamble. Good on her.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 6:30 am
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:15 am to Korkstand
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He was already all-in. A bluff is playing cards that you don't have, but once you call an all-in you have to play the cards you do have. And she had shite.
They clearly have history playing together. You aren't factoring in the player.
Someone said she brought up 3s to get a read out of him. I am so glad he lost like that. Absolutely satisfying for me.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:44 am to AlterDWI
quote:
And I'm really suspicious of how she keeps changing her story. One day she misread her hand(I already posted why that's a lie) then the next she read Garrett's soul(absolutely retarded) then the next day she just made a wild call. She's not telling the truth & it makes her look guilty as hell.
I'm not sure it's that deep. I think she's kind of stupid and made a ridiculous gamble. Pro players have weighed in and stated they can't see how she could have pulled off this type of cheating. However, anything is possible I suppose. I understand an investigation has started and I read about the stolen chips. The guy who stole I believe has a history, so that may just be a coincidence here.
Adelstein seems to think he's entitled to the money. Had he hit his draw he would have cared less what his opponent had and taken the money. This happens all the time in poker, a player calls with a hand they have no business mathematically being in there with. Who cares if it's high stakes if they are in a position to do so? In other words she is just a bad player who Adelstein should be happy to have playing against him. I am so glad she called.
Instead he acts like an entitled clod and puts on some sort of shocked show. Now he's accusing her of cheating.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:58 am to PeteRose
Garrett is an absolute class act of a human being. I have met him once but his reputation is solidified by many others that are legitimately much closer and frequently interact with him. I challenge those of you that aren’t in the poker world to do some research on both Garrett and why this call could just never ever happen for so many reasons.
It’s easy to get caught up in emotion on the internet and make a quick judgment of someone, but I am of the strong opinion that the facts will reveal themselves in the long run and everyone will see why Garrett reacted this way. Again, he is pure class, in a world with very few people that behave the way he does. He has been seen many times losing pots bigger than this and congratulating his opponent.
I suggest watching this recent Doug Polk video, it outlines things pretty well. Doug is also a class act, and although his video delivery in the past sometimes didn’t draw the most favorable opinions, he shows his true colors in this video.
LINK
It’s easy to get caught up in emotion on the internet and make a quick judgment of someone, but I am of the strong opinion that the facts will reveal themselves in the long run and everyone will see why Garrett reacted this way. Again, he is pure class, in a world with very few people that behave the way he does. He has been seen many times losing pots bigger than this and congratulating his opponent.
I suggest watching this recent Doug Polk video, it outlines things pretty well. Doug is also a class act, and although his video delivery in the past sometimes didn’t draw the most favorable opinions, he shows his true colors in this video.
LINK
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:00 am to Richard Grayson
quote:
I don’t understand how some chick calling a hand made a 35 page thread of constant arguing. It’s mind blowing to me.
I didn't either until I clicked on the links people posted. Now I believe she cheated and there are multiple people in on it.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:01 am to beauchristopher
quote:
I am so glad he lost like that. Absolutely satisfying for me.
Too bad for you she refunded him. So he basically free rolled her.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 7:02 am
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:11 am to YNWA
quote:
I didn't either until I clicked on the links people posted. Now I believe she cheated and there are multiple people in on it.
Because people love a good scandal, especially 1 with multiple twists and turns. One minute you’re thinking there’s a good chance she innocent, then something damning comes out and your thinking there’s no chance she’s innocent. It’s captivating
I’ve been teetering around the 60/40 she’s cheating since last Friday and I’m still not 100% one way or the other. One thing I will say is man, there’s a lot of inconsistencies with her story and coincidences for it to be straight up.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:12 am to BallHawg10
Beanz was in on it. He had tweeted in September "they tried" when someone asked if he had been banned by Hustler Casino. He's the guy that had dinner with RIP and Robbie for 7 Hours the night before the tournament then banked RIP for 175K. Plus he tweeted a photo of the exact same, crazy expensive, watch RIP had on at the table.
There's a lot of layers to this story and things are still coming out.
They probably should have gotten better people to pull off the scam than those two, RIP/Robbi, because they ironically have no poker face. LOL
There's a lot of layers to this story and things are still coming out.
They probably should have gotten better people to pull off the scam than those two, RIP/Robbi, because they ironically have no poker face. LOL
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:15 am to YNWA
You’re talking about Nick airball. Beanz was the guy who go Robbie in the game though. So many different character.
Gotta give them more credit than that. Assuming this is illegitimate, they had a majority of the poker community believing this was a legitimate hand. The poker community is a largely skeptical and pessimistic crowd. That’s impressive.
Gotta give them more credit than that. Assuming this is illegitimate, they had a majority of the poker community believing this was a legitimate hand. The poker community is a largely skeptical and pessimistic crowd. That’s impressive.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 7:22 am
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:20 am to Nephropidae
quote:
Why is this so hard for poker players.
You already explained it:
quote:
She can and did call. His bluff. With her bluff.
That makes NO logical sense, even if you have no knowledge of poker. You don't call bluffs with a bluff yourself.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:23 am to Korkstand
quote:
Even if you are absolutely certain that it's a bluff, you still have to have something that can beat some random hand.
For the non-poker bros, this is called a "bluff catcher".
J-high is not a bluff catcher. A-high is typically the very minimum for a live ring bluff catcher, unless you have some impressive blockers (and she held the card that you want Garrett to have so her hand blocked itself, basically).
As has been said before, he basically has 2 hands that she can beat. His actual hand and the same one in hearts.
He has like 20-30 bluff hands that beat J-high.
Even if you 100% know he's bluffing, would you call his raise with a 10-15% chance of being correct? For like 4x pot? No.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:24 am to Strannix
quote:
You are wrong though
He's not. She continues to make this move and she's Guy Laliberté
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:29 am to LSUsuperfresh
quote:
False. She had the high hand going into the river. If they didn't know all the folded cards and hadn't yet factored those odds, she would have been around 55%. And even if they knew the true odds of 47%, it was still the right decision to call due to what she stood to gain.
Run out the EV on a 55-45 edge when he overbet jams. I think he overbet what, 2.5x-ish pot?
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Run out the EV on a 55-45 edge when he overbet jams. I think he overbet what, 2.5x-ish pot?
Yea, somewhere between 2x-2.5x. I don’t think the scam team is that sharp in poker and just knew she had the better hand at that time. They didn’t know that you still have to be getting the direct pot odds to make the call profitable.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 7:43 am
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