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re: The circle of COVID. Unvaccinated better equipped to defeat looming Lamda variant
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:07 am to rocket31
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:07 am to rocket31
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we dont have the data or the control group to determine if natural immunity is superior but it seems like a reasonable assumption
I think 87 posted yesterday that it's very possible for some people to have stronger natural antibodies, but it's a different standard for each person depending on the viral load they experienced and the individual's immune response
I have both levels of protection, so it's whatever for me.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:11 am to Obtuse1
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mRNA tech is proving to be a major step forward in vaccine production.
without the internet (specifically social media), mRNA vaccine development would be considered a bedrock moment in human development
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think 87 posted yesterday that it's very possible for some people to have stronger natural antibodies, but it's a different standard for each person depending on the viral load they experienced and the individual's immune response
I have both levels of protection, so it's whatever for me.
I get that but it’s also clear that there probably should be more than just 2 categories vaxxed/unvaxxed. Even the vaccines efficacy varies dramatically. mRNA vaccines being in the 85+ and JJ being 60%. Seems like natural immunity would be a considerable upgrade over JJ vaccine.
Also the antibody dependent enhancement stuff seemed like a concern at least at one time and now all of a sudden it’s not. I don’t really know much as to why but I get why people would be concerned. Plus the current administration’s extreme hesitation pre-Nov about the vaccines and now post Nov the extreme confidence in the vaccine definitely leads to confusion.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:13 am to Rize
seems like those "details" would be useful...
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:19 am to STEVED00
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but it’s also clear that there probably should be more than just 2 categories vaxxed/unvaxxed. Even the vaccines efficacy varies dramatically.
mRNA being in the 85+ and JJ being 60%
oh that's coming. I can't imagine (after this latest issue) that J&J is going to avoid scrutiny moving forward. there will probably be multiple tiers in the end
natural antibodies + god tier vaccines
god tier vaccines
natural antibodies
J&J vaccine
no antibodies and no vaccine
Russian vaccine
Chinese vaccine
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:22 am to Fusaichi Pegasus
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The constant cycle of everchanging news is not making my decision easier
Short social media interaction I had yesterday, paraphrased:
Them: I am a murse you need to believe me when I say the science is sound and the vaccine is safe. Science is science and you can't deny facts
Me: The "facts" change on a regular basis, no?
Them: Well as science learns more trajectories on treatment and prevention of disease changes with the new info, yes.
Me: So using your medical professional's logic as a basis for my decision, NOT getting the vaccine is the correct choice for me. That many unknown variables in the face of .01% chance of death made it easier to decide. Thanks for your advice in helping me make the right call.
Them: That's not what I meant...
If you can't avoid logical pitfalls or make a compelling argument while telling little ol' uneducated me why I need the shot, I don't need it. Simple.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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natural antibodies + god tier vaccines
god tier vaccines
natural antibodies
mRNA is such an interesting topic. From what I’ve read there were concerns originally about what might happen in the long term but not short term. How did we eliminate the long term concerns?
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:32 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:35 am to STEVED00
i don't think those have been, but even traditional vaccines can have long-term concerns that can't be tested except for with real world application
i'll put it to you this way, though. if these vaccines are really a huge threat, the people who choose not to get vaccinated are fricked anyway b/c society will collapse if their fear porn is correct.
i'll put it to you this way, though. if these vaccines are really a huge threat, the people who choose not to get vaccinated are fricked anyway b/c society will collapse if their fear porn is correct.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Lets say the worst fear is true
i'll put it to you this way, though. if these vaccines are really a huge threat, the people who choose not to get vaccinated are fricked anyway b/c society will collapse if their fear porn is correct.
2 years after the vaccine, you drop dead
So, in two years, 90% of doctors dead. Majority of degree holding people:dead
You are left with the demographics you currently see being unvaxxed
Ill be A ok watching it unfold from heaven
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:41 am to lsupride87
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So, in two years, 90% of doctors dead. Majority of degree holding people:dead
just the loss in population itself. lots of people have created the self fulfilling prophecy that this is either the mark of the best or the elite's way to reduce the world's population...well guess what: society will collapse if it loses that large of a population
the whole worry with Covid running rampant is that if 1% of our population suddenly dies, it would cause ripples. imagine 30-50% of the adult population dying. that's Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome shite
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:41 am to lsupride87
I love how the PT calls the vaccines an “IQ test”
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:47 am to lsupride87
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Lets say the worst fear is true 2 years after the vaccine, you drop dead So, in two years, 90% of doctors dead. Majority of degree holding people:dead You are left with the demographics you currently see being unvaxxed Ill be A ok watching it unfold from heaven
Interesting take. Basically better to do something instead of nothing. That being said, we knew different people had different threat levels. We also did quickly get a third more “traditional” vaccine that provides what I understand is very good protection from “serious” symptoms. Why not just ride with that one until we knew via the trials whether or not the long term issues are not an issue?
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:49 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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just the loss in population itself. lots of people have created the self fulfilling prophecy that this is either the mark of the best or the elite's way to reduce the world's population...well guess what: society will collapse if it loses that large of a population
What if the ADE doesn’t kill people but just requires them to receive additional care to treat?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:See my issue is that if the elite were trying to reduce the world's population, you would think that it wouldn't be the ones willing to take the vaccine, leaving only the ones who question their every move and refuse everything
just the loss in population itself. lots of people have created the self fulfilling prophecy that this is either the mark of the best or the elite's way to reduce the world's population...well guess what: society will collapse if it loses that large of a population
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:56 am to RobbBobb
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don’t disagree, but the hypothetical situation of population control would not be very hard to implement.
just the loss in population itself. lots of people have created the self fulfilling prophecy that this is either the mark of the best or the elite's way to reduce the world's population...well guess what: society will collapse if it loses that large of a population
It wouldn’t even need a situation like Covid to do it though. You could do it with the yearly flu shot.
It could be any injection.
Pick a region or population and give a percentage of that population some element of reproductive suppressant.
That is just hypothetical.
Also, the argument of “they would kill all of the intellectuals and doctors” doesn’t really hold water. That is beneficial.
Look at China and Mao. Destruction of the intellectual caste is the best way too solidify control.
Also, this doesn’t rapidly reduce the population. It is gradual, not acute.
No, I don’t actually believe this is happening, but to believe it is an impossible action is just naivety.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 10:03 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:05 am to Scruffy
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It wouldn’t even need a situation like Covid to do it though. You could do it with the yearly flu shot.
It could be any injection.
put it in our water like fluoride
if they did this plan (which is insanity and would destroy their quality of life), it would almost assuredly be insidious
if this vaccine was a test run, it shows how terribly that plan would work if it was out in the open
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:06 am to CrimsonFever
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The vaccine isn't the problem, its the people not getting the vaccine, which could create new variants.
Holy Smokes! Might want to head back over to the SEC Rant where discussions are more at your level.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why?
if they did this plan (which is insanity and would destroy their quality of life), it would almost assuredly be insidious
The type of individuals who push for this (Bill Gates, Bezos, Zuckerburg, Clinton’s, etc.) are so absolutely separate from the rest of humanity that it would likely have very little impact on their lives.
And it is just reduction in reproductive capabilities, not erasure of human lives.
quote:Depends on the target.
if this vaccine was a test run, it shows how terribly that plan would work if it was out in the open
Intellectuals readily jumped at the chance.
It is FAR easier to control those of lesser intelligence.
I think this entire situation proved how easy it would be.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 10:11 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:13 am to Scruffy
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I don’t disagree, but the hypothetical situation of population control would not be very hard to implement.
It wouldn’t even need a situation like Covid to do it though. You could do it with the yearly flu shot.
It could be any injection.
Pick a region or population and give a percentage of that population some element of reproductive suppressant.
The poli board loves talking about pop control using all of these sinister plots. The solution is much easier. End foreign aid and immigration. You'd starve to death billions in a decade.
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