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The "Child Free" Movement - Millennials who get sterilized in their 20s
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:15 am
Vice
Andie (left):
they are a luminary
science-denying liberals
oh poor me. i live in the greatest time to be alive and it's a shite hole.
narcissism is real
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Some might argue this is a particularly extreme option for someone so young, but Katelin is unwavering in her opinion. "I'm old enough to vote, play the lottery, drive, and go to jail—why can't I decide I don't want kids?" she asks. It's a good argument, and she's not alone in feeling like this. There is a growing number of men and women, in the UK and US, who are permanently altering their fertility. This phenomenon, known as the "child free movement," is the subject of a new BBC Three documentary, Young and Sterile: My Choice, exploring why teenagers and 20-somethings are advocating childlessness by choice, despite not already having children of their own.
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People who choose to be sterilized are doing so for a whole bunch of reasons, not just out of fear of becoming accidentally pregnant or a father. Genetics is a key factor. Katelin has mental health problems and a serious heart defect she doesn't want to pass on (though she also enjoys her "vagina exactly the way it is"). Equally, Pritchard has suffered from depression throughout his life and lives with Type 1 insulin-dependent diabetes. "It would be cruel of me to enforce a child to suffer the same," he says.
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For 28-year-old Andie, who chooses not to identify as a specific gender (and uses the pronoun they), the choice stems from something stronger. "My mother was a really violent person and I was excommunicated from her at a young age," says Andie. "I'm scared of having kids and turning into her, because motherhood was quite a cruel thing for me. I wouldn't want my kids to go through the same experience."
Andie was sterilized last year and says it's the best decision they've ever made. "It's massively improved my mental health and [body] dysphoria. No one ever stops people from having children so why would you stop someone who doesn't want children?"
Andie (left):
they are a luminary
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Andie believes this resistance is a symptom of defined gender roles. "This idea that women have to settle down, get married, have children—it's quite a moral thing, isn't it? Life isn't just about reproduction. For me it goes back to this patriarchal idea that gender is binary and, within that, you have to comply with set or 'normal' roles. I'm very much against that."
science-denying liberals
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Katelin assuredly disagrees. "I want time alone, time with my partner, and time to travel and spend money on luxury. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that," she says. "My generation live in a broken world. We come from broken homes and have broken minds and bodies. Many of us just don't want to reproduce. It's my life and I'm not hurting anyone."
oh poor me. i live in the greatest time to be alive and it's a shite hole.
narcissism is real
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
What's wrong with Andies last paragraph?
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Judging from that picture, I commend their decision to sterilize themselves.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:18 am to rocket31
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What's wrong with her last paragraph?
oh sorry
"gender roles" is a misplaced term. it's "sexual roles" and evolution + biology dictate both our desire to reproduce as well as the biological fact that women (the sex) are the ones who have children. we're a sexually reproducing species with sexual organs and abilities that are dependent on the given sex. gender is irrelevant and it's utterly stupid to try and turn "Sex" into "gender"
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
I can’t think of a better decision than that things deciding not to reproduce.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
That's not what statement talking about
You edited
You edited
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:20 am to rocket31
yeah i edited my response
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Id encourage more of these people not to reproduce
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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"I'm old enough to vote, play the lottery, drive, and go to jail—why can't I decide I don't want kids?
Is there a law saying she can't get fixed?
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Modernity is selecting against those who embrace it.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
So can this be considered a type of self-imposed eugenics?
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
If you have some strange urge to not have kids, it is probably God doing us all a favor.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:22 am to yellowfin
i don't think there is a law, but in the US (these people are in the UK) i think doctors won't do it before a certain age or without consent of the spouse
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's utterly stupid to try and turn "Sex" into "gender"
Sex is your reproductive parts
Gender is how you identify as a man or woman
So one could be born with a dick (sex) but think they're a chick (gender)
Just because they've been used interchangeably for years doesn't mean it's accurate
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:25 am to HempHead
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Modernity is selecting against those who embrace it.
yup
i don't know if it's the hatred of objective truths of biology or just narcissism or both
in the 70s and 80s you saw a lot of this same philosophy (about developing the self above biology) with all that New Age bullshite. this seems to be a narcissism-infused version of that belief system. so, somehow, they've created a worse version of New Age philosophy where the self is the god and accumulating capital (Both tactile and internal) is the goal
in a strange twist of irony, i wonder how many claim to be Buddhist
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
I know some doctors won't do it but you can always find one that will do anything for a couple grand. All you have to do is look at our opioid problem to see that.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
For these two, sterilization is more symbolic bc there’s no way anyone is fricking that in the first place.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:26 am to rocket31
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Just because they've been used interchangeably for years doesn't mean it's accurate
Conversely, just because they are used differently now doesn't mean it's accurate.
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