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re: The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Animated
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:57 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:57 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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I think it was necessary in the historical context of WWII, but it’s not like Mo is the first person to argue otherwise lol.
I’m not even saying that we shouldn’t have done it, which is the default offense taken by a lot in this thread.
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:57 pm to jkylejohnson
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jkylejohnson
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:06 pm to Mo Jeaux
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A war crime.
The atomic bombings were an act of war dumbass. The bombing of Pearl Harbor, now that was done while the two countries were supposed to be negotiating, now that was an act of treachery.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 1:51 am
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:07 pm to jrodLSUke
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Those civilians that we’re supporting the Japanese war crimes?
Shh it's not like they openly cheered the rape of Nanking or anything.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:08 pm to msudawg1200
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My grandfather fought against the Japanese in the Pacific and some of the shite he saw done to American soldiers were as you say "war crimes". THEY brought us into the war. My grandfather luckily came home unlike some of his buddies. Get the hell out of America if you hate it so much you shitstain.
This could all be true and it doesn't change the fact that what the US did could also be a war crime
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:09 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:great video, love this kind of content
Y’all would enjoy the follow up video
I think it was necessary in the historical context of WWII, but it’s not like Mo is the first person to argue otherwise lol.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:12 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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How?
I mean Lend-lease was pretty aggressive.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:22 pm to thejuiceisloose
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This could all be true and it doesn't change the fact that what the US did could also be a war crime
Lex talionis.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:26 pm to thejuiceisloose
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war crime
No. Such. Thing.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:27 pm to Harry Morgan
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That it was a war crime.
What’s a war crime? Please, tell us what a war crime is.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:27 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I’m not even saying that we shouldn’t have done it, which is the default offense taken by a lot in this thread.
It’s sad that the majority of casualties were civilians, but if they’re not killed by the bomb they’re killed in an invasion — because WWII Japan would’ve certainly armed them all.
I do think it’s compelling whether or not Kukura(Nagasaki) could have been postponed to gauge Japanese reaction to soviet invasion.
But even then, hindsight is 20/20 — there was STILL a failed coup to prevent the Japanese surrender after the Soviet invasion and TWO nuclear bombs.
I love Japanese history/culture because it’s so unique and old — but they have had their share of issues with extreme nationalism & war/violence.
I mean let’s see… You’re the president, we’ve just been pulled into a now apocalyptic war… do you bet on the folks who invented Seppuku & Kamikaze to surrender lol?
It’s no coincidence they named one of the recon planes “necessary evil”… It may well have been a war crime, but it has also saved more lives than any singular military operation before or since.
Not sure Truman could’ve anticipated all that, but that doesn’t make it less true.
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You sound smart. Tell us more.
Why don’t you explain to me exactly what a war crime is?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:29 pm to grizzlylongcut
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No. Such. Thing.
It’s a commonly accepted concept.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:29 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I’m not even saying that we shouldn’t have done it, which is the default offense taken by a lot in this thread.
Then your post is even more pathetic. You're attempt at being provocative fell flat on its face.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:30 pm to Damone
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France won WWI on the battlefield and Ford won WWII
Fixed it for you ‘Mo.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:31 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Why don’t you explain to me exactly what a war crime is?
Why don’t you explain to us why the concept doesn’t exist?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:32 pm to rintintin
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Then your post is even more pathetic.
No it’s not.
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You're attempt at being provocative fell flat on its face.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:34 pm to grizzlylongcut
I’d imagine the argument for the existence of war crimes would sound something like:
We are all born as human beings with a capacity to feel and a capacity to reason. These capacities bestow upon us some baseline human rights. If you are not engaging in an activities to deprive someone else of their human rights (as is the case with at least a subset or the civilian population), it could be considered morally dubious to deprive people of these human rights as would be the case if you were killed by some third party.
Although war tends to make utilitarians of us all, and utilitarians wouldn’t have much use for any notion that didn’t lead to victory and the greater good, so I doubt there’s much room for the concept of war crimes through that lens.
We are all born as human beings with a capacity to feel and a capacity to reason. These capacities bestow upon us some baseline human rights. If you are not engaging in an activities to deprive someone else of their human rights (as is the case with at least a subset or the civilian population), it could be considered morally dubious to deprive people of these human rights as would be the case if you were killed by some third party.
Although war tends to make utilitarians of us all, and utilitarians wouldn’t have much use for any notion that didn’t lead to victory and the greater good, so I doubt there’s much room for the concept of war crimes through that lens.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Why don’t you explain to us why the concept doesn’t exist?
Because I wasn’t the one that originally asserted that it’s a crime. It’s on you, prosecutor, to back up your opinion.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:38 pm to Ross
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We are all born as human beings with a capacity to feel and a capacity to reason. These capacities bestow upon us some baseline human rights. If you are not engaging in an activities to deprive someone else of their human rights (as is the case with at least a subset or the civilian population), it could be considered morally dubious to deprive people of these human rights as would be the case if you were killed by some third party.
If this is the case then all war is a crime.
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