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re: The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Animated
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:50 am to tigerfan486
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:50 am to tigerfan486
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the US government estimated that an invasion of mainland Japan would cost 1 MILLION of just Allied Forces. Don’t care if it was a “war crime” or not. It was deserved and was a loss of less life.
I am sure those were the only two options, invasion or nuclear bomb civilians...
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:51 am to grizzlylongcut
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Our nation was at war with another nation. It would be immoral for us to willingly prolong the war and cause more loss of life because Ross on TD quivers in his boots at the thought of a big bang.
If you are a utilitarian, sure. And I sympathize with the position and am just asking questions and pushing back slightly because I think it’s interesting to see where people’s utilitarian convictions begin and end as someone who isn’t a utilitarian.
You, on the other hand, are engaging me like an a-hole and I don’t really think I want to engage with you if you’re going to continue to cast insults at someone who hasn’t said a negative word to you.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 10:52 am
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:56 am to Ross
So would have been more moral to have been forced to invade and kill civilians by artillery and automatic weapons fire?
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:01 am to armsdealer
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am sure those were the only two options, invasion or nuclear bomb civilians...
Share some other options
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:03 am to Ross
Do you think a show of force bombing of some remote base would have ended the war?
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:05 am to RollTide1987
No I don’t consider that a morally superior option, but I suppose I no longer consider someone a civilian if they are picking up a weapon and are prepared to fight with it, with certain exceptions such as someone who is defending their family from imminent undue harm
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:08 am to armsdealer
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I am sure those were the only two options, invasion or nuclear bomb civilians...
Give me a third?
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:08 am to Mo Jeaux
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Mo Jeaux
Your line of thinking is why we don’t “finish” wars anymore. Our goal should always be the complete surrender of our enemies, or if they won’t surrender, then the complete annihilation of their ability to make war. There should be no mercy until one of the above is achieved.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:09 am to Ross
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I no longer consider someone a civilian if they are picking up a weapon and are prepared to fight with it.
Do you consider someone a civilian who is working in a factory making the weapons of war that go on to kill military personnel?
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:10 am to grizzlylongcut
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It would be immoral for us to willingly prolong the war and cause more loss of life
The question is, would we risk millions of casualties or end the war immediately with less?
Truman was decisive, brought the men home. I understand critically thinking, but this was 70 years ago, and not one soul posting here had skin in the game.
I imagine every mother in this country was happen their kid was going to be safe.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:12 am to Ross
Most Japanese civilians supported the Imperial army. They supported Pearl Harbor and they also supported the unjust treatment of American POWs, whom to them were dogs. Because of propaganda, they viewed Americans as a monstrous and invasive country when they didn’t even realize that they initiated the war with America.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:14 am to Hateradedrink
For some reason, this is a very difficult question for some people to answer with a yes or a no.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:14 am to RollTide1987
That’s a good question. I’m leaning no, I don’t. They seem complicit in the war effort. But I’ll think on that one.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:16 am to Hateradedrink
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this is a very difficult question for some people to answer with a yes or a no.
Projected US casualties of almost a million, seems like an easy choice to me.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:18 am to JasonDBlaha
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Most Japanese civilians supported the Imperial army. They supported Pearl Harbor and they also supported the unjust treatment of American POWs, whom to them were dogs. Because of propaganda, they viewed Americans as a monstrous and invasive country when they didn’t even realize that they initiated the war with America.
Yep, their emperor was a demigod.
The civilians were warned before dropping the bomb.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:19 am to Roll Tide Ravens
1000% agree.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
It was absolutely the right choice to make from that perspective, and if you ask me, the right choice to make even if they surrendered beforehand.
Imperialistic Japan was a sniveling blight on humanity. The utter atrocities inflicted on Nanking, Philippines, and then our servicemen justified punishment.
You reap what you sow, and the Japanese reaped hellfire.
Imperialistic Japan was a sniveling blight on humanity. The utter atrocities inflicted on Nanking, Philippines, and then our servicemen justified punishment.
You reap what you sow, and the Japanese reaped hellfire.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:34 am to TackySweater
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Share some other options
Destroy their naval ports and then blockade the island.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:37 am to Hateradedrink
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f you ask me, the right choice to make even if they surrendered beforehand.
Glad no one asked you.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:45 am to RonLaFlamme
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Destroy their naval ports and then blockade the island.
No guarantees that less people die. Starvation would become an issue too.
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