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re: The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Animated
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:31 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:31 pm to brmark70816
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To act like they were no brainers or were proven to be right is too simple. None of us can say what would have happened otherwise. It wasn't one way of the other though.
The other option is to continue the war.
We ended it the quickest possible way with the fewest anticipated casualties. We did just fine.
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:40 pm to brmark70816
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The starving part is on them. You blockade and take away their ability to wage war. You demand they surrender and claim victory. If they starve, that is on them. You give them options. That's different than intentionally nuking them. I am not sure why I have to explain the difference.
Starving them out would have been no more humane than the atomic bomb. It could possibly have prolonged the war unnecessarily.
Of course there were other plans, just as there were other plans worked and reworked, or discarded, for every invasion in the Pacific. It was finding the best plan at the time that offered the quickest best end to the war.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:42 pm to brmark70816
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The starving part is on them.
I guess you could say the exact same thing about the two bombs that were dropped if thats your opinion.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:44 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Look< do whatever mental gymnastics you have to do. We deliberately targeted civilians. We did. It was calculated. Great, it worked out. It (May have) saved lives. Ok. I’m fine with that. But we deliberately killed civilians. Just as we (and others) have done throughout history.
Yes, that unprovoked bombing was terrible
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:20 pm to Mo Jeaux
A military target that was not involved in the war at that time.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:29 pm to brmark70816
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Why didn't we bomb the capital and the imperial castle? Why target mostly civilian targets?
We did. More than 100,000 people were incinerated in the firebombing of Tokyo in a single night in March 1945. There was nothing left of Tokyo to bomb. Hence why it wasn't a target of the atomic bombs.
ETA: Though we deliberately avoided targeting the imperial residence so that Hirohito could witness firsthand the suffering of his people.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:27 pm to RollTide1987
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ETA: Though we deliberately avoided targeting the imperial residence so that Hirohito could witness firsthand the suffering of his people.
That is F'd up. Why not take him out? We made every effort to kill Hitler.
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More than 100,000 people were incinerated in the firebombing of Tokyo in a single night in March 1945.
That is just horrible. I can't imagine. I just don't see any reason to conduct those type of operations. I just went down a rabbit hole reading about it..
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:37 pm to brmark70816
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That is F'd up. Why not take him out? We made every effort to kill Hitler.
they were worried if they took out the emperor, who was thought of as a God by Japanese folk, that they would revolt and make the impending occupation that much more difficult.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:37 pm to brmark70816
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That is F'd up. Why not take him out? We made every effort to kill Hitler.
Killing their emperor would have likely strengthened the resolve of an already fanatically resolved people. Plus, by killing him the US would have created a power vacuum with a military that was resolved to fight to the death in charge
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That is just horrible. I can't imagine. I just don't see any reason to conduct those type of operations. I just went down a rabbit hole reading about it..
The Japanese were a different animal than the Germans. A not so insignificant portion of the German population were war weary from a war that had taken place roughly 30 years prior. The civilian populace of Japan was more steadfastly entrenched in war and FAR less likely to surrender.
WW2 was a “total war”. The “rules” of prior wars did not always fit in that scenario
The worldwide mass carnage as well as the use of the A-bomb ironically ushered in the longest period of relative peace ever known to man. There have been regional conflicts since WW2, but not constant war, which was the norm prior to WW2
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:41 pm to brmark70816
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That is F'd up. Why not take him out? We made every effort to kill Hitler.
One school of thought at the time was that the emperor had little real power, and Tojo and the War Cabinet had the real power.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:15 pm to BCTigerFan
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I lot of us wouldn’t have been born if not for those bombs
Me. My dad spent 42 months fighting in the Pacific and was about to board a troop ship heading for Japan when we dropped they bombs.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:18 pm to brmark70816
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That is F'd up. Why not take him out? We made every effort to kill Hitler.
Because we figured (correctly) that only Hirohito could convince the Japanese military to stand down and accept surrender. If we had killed him in the firebombing over Tokyo only the military fanatics would have been left running the government and they would have been okay with every last one of the Japanese people dying in an Allied invasion of the home islands in order to avoid the shame of surrender.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:26 pm to snoblind
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Me. My dad spent 42 months fighting in the Pacific and was about to board a troop ship heading for Japan when we dropped they bombs.
Wow. He was fortunate in that respect.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:30 pm to Harry Morgan
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Wow. He was fortunate in that respect
Downvoted this for commenting that someone’s dad was fortunate. What a low rent antifa coward frick.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I am sure those were the only two options, invasion or nuclear bomb civilians...
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Give me a third?
There actually were three options:
1. use the atomic bomb
2. Invasion
3. Continued conventional bombing and blockade
Options two and three would have resulted in (1) prolonging the war up to another year, possibly more, and (2) Japanese death tolls that dwarfed those lost on the atomic strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Option two would also come with an estimated one million American casualties while option three would result in perhaps thousands of American casualties.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:10 pm to brmark70816
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Why didn't we bomb the capital and the imperial castle? Why target mostly civilian targets?
Let me show you what Tokyo looked like by August 1945….
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:16 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:32 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Found the Jap.
Mo Jeaux
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:33 pm to Clames
Neat
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:37 pm to White Bear
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