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re: The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Animated
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:28 pm to choppadocta
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:28 pm to choppadocta
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Yes because starving millions of people is much more kinder and gentler than killing a couple hundred thousand with two atomic weapons. Dead is dead. I'd rather get nuked then starve to death..much quicker.
Neither is optimal. But IMO nuclear weapons should never be used. Same with chemical weapons. That's not a radical stance. I don't think we did the wrong thing. But that doesn't mean we can't look back and recognize how horrible it was and that shouldn't happen. Like I said, ii hasn't again. So people recognize that it goes too far. Are you ok using WMDs?
BTW, it can takes months or even years to die from radiation poisoning. Even those that didn't die had weird conditions and were affected for the rest of their lives..
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:48 pm to brmark70816
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BTW, it can takes months or even years to die from radiation poisoning. Even those that didn't die had weird conditions and were affected for the rest of their lives..
Yet I mentioned Americans that were directly affected, and suffered for decades from the tests. Japanese lifespans were largely shortened by malnutrition prior to the fact (even today, Japanese are largely much smaller than Koreans of the same age), which also impacted their ability to recover from any radiation exposure.
You know what, try surrendering before the enemy needs to land on what is the quasi equivalent of Galveston or San Fran. The enemy can make choices too. Anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing. This is tactical and strategic. I'm not sure if you're understanding of Bushido being so ingrained in the Navy and the Army is giving you enough context to understand where the Japanese "deep state" was, and what kind of advice they seemed to be giving the Army, the Admiralty, and the Emperor during this time.
Ok, no nukes. You're missing the point that we killed 100k+ civilians with conventional weapons (firebombs, etc.) If we would have firebombed Nagasaki, in particular, we would have killed more people. The drop in Nagasaki was not where it was supposed to be, it was off center, and produced more limited casualties than Hiroshima.
Is it better to be nuked, or to be baked, broiled and have the air sucked out of your lungs in Dresden or Tokyo?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:01 pm to brmark70816
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But IMO nuclear weapons should never be used. Same with chemical weapons.
I’m sure your tune would be sung differently if your son was to be among the first waves landing on the main Japanese island. Or if your nation’s very existence was in the balance (I’m not saying that ours was in this instance).
We have the hindsight of living in 2023. But what if you were a father of a military aged male in 1945? How would you feel if the US decided to invade and your son was killed or maimed or hell, just put through that ringer and then it came out later that we had the capability to stop it all with much less loss of life? Could you imagine being the president in that situation the day that report came out?
We have the hindsight of living when we do, but if we were in the same spot, I fricking guarantee you that we would do the same fricking thing.
Warfare is spending a nation’s greatest resource, its men of military age, to achieve an end that could not or would not be diplomatically resolved. The less of your greatest resource you spend, the better.
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But that doesn't mean we can't look back and recognize how horrible it was and that shouldn't happen.
If you have the means to end a war quickly, use them.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:03 pm to brmark70816
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But that doesn't mean we can't look back and recognize how horrible it was and that shouldn't happen. Like I said, ii hasn't again
Well, yeah. We haven't exactly had another round of World War and a need to use it. One might argue that the threat of a nuclear bomb has kept another WW from happening.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:26 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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One might argue that the threat of a nuclear bomb has kept another WW from happening.
Oppenheimer predicted this after the first test was successful.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:29 am to Mo Jeaux
Look up the story of Ralph Ignatowski. He got pulled into a cave by the Japanese during Iwo Jima and what they did to him was so brutal that I can’t even say it on here. That’s what they did to tens of thousands of POWs. They deserved to be bombed to the fricking ground. If you can’t see that, then you’re a blue-haired leftist fairy cuck who needs to go back to Reddit
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 5:33 am
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:49 am to TexasTiger33
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Melt.
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TexasTiger33
Solid rebuttal
You liberals are such pussies, holy shite
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:14 am to JasonDBlaha
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They deserved to be bombed to the fricking ground. If you can’t see that, then you’re a blue-haired leftist fairy cuck who needs to go back to Reddit
Where do you draw the line?
Your moral compass can't be determined by what other people do. There is right and wrong. We saw what this does and it frightened everyone. God willing, it will never happen again. Given today's advancements, they can wipe out 100s of thousands with one bomb (multiple warheads). I can't think of any situation where this would be appropriate.
Celebrating the event is just weird to me. I don't think we understood the repercussions or the magnitude of what would occur. I don't want it to happen again.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:26 am to Mo Jeaux
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Mo Jeaux
Another pedo on the movie tv board
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:29 am to JasonDBlaha
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Look up the story of Ralph Ignatowski. He got pulled into a cave by the Japanese during Iwo Jima and what they did to him was so brutal that I can’t even say it on here. That’s what they did to tens of thousands of POWs.
This is why my grandfather would never ride in a car made from Japan or much less own one.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:37 am to BradBallard
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If you had a son that was killed in the invasion of Japan, and it came to be known that Truman had the Ace (a-bomb) that made an invasion unnecessary, how would you feel? Multiply that by the million other casualties. Quite honestly, I don’t think our democracy survives that scenario.
My Dad was on Okinawa waiting to hit Kyushu for Operation Olympic. He was certainly glad the bombs were dropped.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:51 am to JasonDBlaha
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Look up the story of Ralph Ignatowski. He got pulled into a cave by the Japanese during Iwo Jima and what they did to him was so brutal that I can’t even say it on here. That’s what they did to tens of thousands of POWs. They deserved to be bombed to the fricking ground. If you can’t see that, then you’re a blue-haired leftist fairy cuck who needs to go back to Reddit
Shut up.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:51 am to CP3LSU25
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Another pedo on the movie tv board
Go frick yourself, cocksucker.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:14 am to Mo Jeaux
Well you have your opinion. Fine….. but dropping the bombs made the world take notice that the USA is the most powerful country on the globe. It may not seem that way now, but it meant a great deal back then.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:29 am to JasonDBlaha
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Look up the story of Ralph Ignatowski. He got pulled into a cave by the Japanese during Iwo Jima and what they did to him was so brutal that I can’t even say it on here. That’s what they did to tens of thousands of POWs. They deserved to be bombed to the fricking ground. If you can’t see that, then you’re a blue-haired leftist fairy cuck who needs to go back to Reddit
It’s not a popular take here, but this type of argument really only means anything in a world where there is only collective agency. I think it’s safe to say there were some Japanese civilians who did not endorse the policies of the state, even if it was only the children too young to understand what was happening, and I think those people might have a tough time feeling like they earned their execution.
When you talk about making a decision to intentionally kill innocent people, the only moral lens where this can be looked upon favorably is the utilitarian lens. And maybe that’s the only lens that matters, but I think it’s pretty easy to see why intentionally targeting civilians is a controversial matter.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:36 am to Mo Jeaux
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Mo Jeaux
It’s late summer 1945, you’re Harry Truman. Your main goal is to make Japan accept surrender terms. What would you do?
1. Invade
2. Continue conventional bombing & blockade
3. Drop the bomb
Which option is, in your opinion, going to achieve the goal of forcing Japan to surrender in the shortest amount of time with the lowest loss of American life?
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:38 am to CP3LSU25
The same ones in this thread crying about war crimes are probably the same ones that are perfectly OK with what the US government did to its own citizens in regards to Covid
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:38 am to Darth_Vader
What’s your point? I know and understand the justifications for the bombings.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:39 am to Darth_Vader
Truman should’ve done the same to Mao
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:43 am to Mo Jeaux
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What’s your point? I know and understand the justifications for the bombings.
My point is I’m asking what you would have done if you were in Truman’s shoes. You’ve already called the atomic bombing of Japan a war crime. So, I’m asking what would you have done and what would be the deciding factor that leads you to that decision.
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